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Interesting article about the positive health impact of closing down coal fired power stations:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/12/171221122409.htm
"Shutdown of coal-fired power plant results in significant fetal health improvement in downwind areas"
"First study to show fetal health improvement as a result of a coal-fired power plant shutdown due to direct federal level regulation on single pollution source finds 15 percent reduction in likelihood of having a low birth weight baby and 28 percent reduction in likelihood of a preterm birth in areas downwind of the power plant."
As we know, coal miners don't get black lungs on their first day in the mine. The health problems develop over years. Conversely when coal miners leave the mines it can take years for their health problems to alleviate (if at all, as most damage will be permanent).
Similarly, with residents who live next to coal fired power stations, the damage to their health may not be reversed just by closing down the power station, and certainly not overnight. However, the lack damage to new residents (i.e. babies) around former coal power stations, the affects can be seen. This report shows a marked improvement in the health of babies conceived & born after the closure of a coal fired power station. As these babies grow, we will no doubt see similar huge improvements in other health related symptoms, such as a reduction in the number of childhood cancer patients around former coal power stations then a few years later, the reduction in the number of adolescent cancer patients, then a few years later the reduction in the number of young adult cancer patients, etc, etc.....5.18 kWp PV systems (3.68 E/W & 1.5 E).
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We used this when I were a lad - should we be worried?
Wright's Coal Tar Bar Soap 125g
Traditional Soap with Coal Tar Fragrance
Wright's Traditional Soap has been a family favourite for over 130 years. Created by William Valentine Wright in 1860, it has retained its honest, natural appeal.0 -
pile-o-stone wrote: »Interesting article about the positive health impact of closing down coal fired power stations:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/12/171221122409.htm
"Shutdown of coal-fired power plant results in significant fetal health improvement in downwind areas"
"First study to show fetal health improvement as a result of a coal-fired power plant shutdown due to direct federal level regulation on single pollution source finds 15 percent reduction in likelihood of having a low birth weight baby and 28 percent reduction in likelihood of a preterm birth in areas downwind of the power plant."
As we know, coal miners don't get black lungs on their first day in the mine. The health problems develop over years. Conversely when coal miners leave the mines it can take years for their health problems to alleviate (if at all, as most damage will be permanent).
Similarly, with residents who live next to coal fired power stations, the damage to their health may not be reversed just by closing down the power station, and certainly not overnight. However, the lack damage to new residents (i.e. babies) around former coal power stations, the affects can be seen. This report shows a marked improvement in the health of babies conceived & born after the closure of a coal fired power station. As these babies grow, we will no doubt see similar huge improvements in other health related symptoms, such as a reduction in the number of childhood cancer patients around former coal power stations then a few years later, the reduction in the number of adolescent cancer patients, then a few years later the reduction in the number of young adult cancer patients, etc, etc.....
Why do research studies contradict each other?
https://www.diabetesdaily.com/blog/why-do-research-studies-contradict-each-other-611653/0 -
Oh dear, that was such a disappointing response from two of your logins.
A poor effort from your Cardew logon about coal tar soap and a nonsensical post from your GreatApe logon about diabetes.
I can understand your sadness about your ‘there has been nohealth benefits with coal power station closures’ trope being ruined, especially as you’ve rolled it out so many times, but surely you could have come back with better responses than that?
I guess I gave you WAY too much credit :rotfl::rotfl:5.18 kWp PV systems (3.68 E/W & 1.5 E).
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Well, a quick perusal shows my decision not to bother with this thread was the correct one.
With a grandad who was a fireman/engine driver and knowing a couple of people who died from asbestosis in the last couple of years (damn you Fawley power station) I've a good idea of the impacts of environmental changes on health over the short and long term. It's not a discussion where, in the circumstances, I would have much patience.0 -
Following on the theme of recent posts about plastic waste (which I abhor) I noticed this currently going the rounds in social media. I have posted here rather than on the plastic bags thread as I don’t want to detract with humour from what in my view is a serious subject - but it is true.
It’s hilarious, all these school kids preaching to us oldies that we messed* up the planet! Back in the 60’s and 70’s not a plastic bottle to be seen it was all glass that were reused, pop bottles taken back to the shop. No plastic bags, loose food was brown paper bags, all sweets were bought in 1/4lb put in a paper bag. Mothers used shopping trolleys to carry heavy stuff or used a linen bag. You walked to school from 5yo to 16yo not jumping into mummy’s 4x4. No McDonald’s or Burger King plastic toys, no polystyrene food boxes for you to litter the streets with, we had used newspapers to wrap our hot food in. Our milk was delivered at 5 am 6 days a week by a milkman who drove an electric vehicle! Holidays were in a caravan in Britain not an aeroplane to far off destinations. So I think these youngsters need to take a look in a recycled mirror and think was it my wasteful generation who are messing* up the planet
*substituted by me for reasons of good taste.Northern Lincolnshire. 7.8 kWp system, (4.2 kw west facing panels , 3.6 kw east facing), Solis inverters, Solar IBoost water heater, Mitsubishi SRK35ZS-S and SRK20ZS-S Wall Mounted Inverter Heat Pumps, ex Nissan Leaf owner)0 -
Following on the theme of recent posts about plastic waste (which I abhor) I noticed this currently going the rounds in social media. I have posted here rather than on the plastic bags thread as I don’t want to detract with humour from what in my view is a serious subject - but it is true.
It’s hilarious, all these school kids preaching to us oldies that we messed* up the planet! Back in the 60’s and 70’s not a plastic bottle to be seen it was all glass that were reused, pop bottles taken back to the shop. No plastic bags, loose food was brown paper bags, all sweets were bought in 1/4lb put in a paper bag. Mothers used shopping trolleys to carry heavy stuff or used a linen bag. You walked to school from 5yo to 16yo not jumping into mummy’s 4x4. No McDonald’s or Burger King plastic toys, no polystyrene food boxes for you to litter the streets with, we had used newspapers to wrap our hot food in. Our milk was delivered at 5 am 6 days a week by a milkman who drove an electric vehicle! Holidays were in a caravan in Britain not an aeroplane to far off destinations. So I think these youngsters need to take a look in a recycled mirror and think was it my wasteful generation who are messing* up the planet
*substituted by me for reasons of good taste.
Nah Ken, it's not true because, unless the author of that rant is approaching 100 years old, he is from the generation that invented and brought in all the carp he listed. The kids he is moaning about certainly didn't invent it and flood the world with it unless they have a time machine that can take them back to 60's & 70's when all this mess began.
The authors generation also closed down a load of the train routes (beeching cuts in the 60s) and promoted car use by building all the motorways and roads, they designed the out of town shopping centers that helped destroy the high street, they also consolidated all of the little local schools into larger centralised ones that are miles from where the kids live.5.18 kWp PV systems (3.68 E/W & 1.5 E).
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I don’t disagree with the points you make and I was tempted to add an edit saying it’s not the kids fault that all this unnecessary packaging exists but its existence is a symptom of modern life just as gas guzzling polluting cars and smokey chimneys were when I was a kid. The fact is all this packaging exists and is largely consumed by and exists for the benefit of the younger generation. The point I think of the rant is that the young are piling all the blame on the older generation (justified as it maybe) but not realising that the way they live their lives is contributing to the modern ills of the world. I am lucky enough to live in the countryside but am appalled as I walk down our lanes to see all manner of fast food wrapping and drink cans littering the countryside which has been discarded from passing vehicles. The young may not have a choice about the packaging that fast food is wrapped in (although they could protest about that to effect change) but they do have a choice about where they discard it.
Our generation consumed fossil fuels (we didn’t invent them) and the alternatives didn’t exist. The current younger generation choose to consume fast food wrapped in polystyrene and plastic (they didn’t invent it) but alternatives do exist in the form of recyclable packaging. If they can protest about our role in the desecration of the planet then maybe they could have a think about how they might themselves improve the environment by protesting about fast food packaging or perhaps think about using rubbish bins instead of throwing stuff out of car windows.
As far as schools are concerned we walked to school or got a bus whatever the weather from being 5 to 18. In fact I, like all the kids in the village, had to catch 2 buses in a morning and 2 in the afternoon from being 11. I would have loved my dad to drive me to school but it wasn’t an option - not because he didn’t behave a car but kids had to be a bit more independent and self reliant.Northern Lincolnshire. 7.8 kWp system, (4.2 kw west facing panels , 3.6 kw east facing), Solis inverters, Solar IBoost water heater, Mitsubishi SRK35ZS-S and SRK20ZS-S Wall Mounted Inverter Heat Pumps, ex Nissan Leaf owner)0 -
The point I think of the rant is that the young are piling all the blame on the older generation (justified as it maybe) but not realising that the way they live their lives is contributing to the modern ills of the world.
I'm not sure how you expect the kids to live their lives differently? I'm sure the author of the rant had a father who worked and a mother who stayed at home cooking nutritious meals from ingredients sourced from from local markets. Since supermarkets destroyed local grocery stores and ridiculous cost of housing and general living means that both parents have to work to make ends meet (if both parents are still together) which means the kids are living on convenience foods or takeaways.
I guess I'm basically asking how you and the author of that rant think the kids can turn the clock back to the 1960s and undo the changes that your and the author's generation made?As far as schools are concerned we walked to school or got a bus whatever the weather from being 5 to 18. In fact I, like all the kids in the village, had to catch 2 buses in a morning and 2 in the afternoon from being 11. I would have loved my dad to drive me to school but it wasn’t an option - not because he didn’t behave a car but kids had to be a bit more independent and self reliant.
I'm sure that in your day the roads were a lot emptier and so journeys were a lot quicker and safer and schools were a lot closer too. I also guess you didn't have to worry about being knifed or run the gauntlet of drug dealers either.5.18 kWp PV systems (3.68 E/W & 1.5 E).
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pile-o-stone wrote: »I'm not sure how you expect the kids to live their lives differently? I'm sure the author of the rant had a father who worked and a mother who stayed at home cooking nutritious meals from ingredients sourced from from local markets. Since supermarkets destroyed local grocery stores and ridiculous cost of housing and general living means that both parents have to work to make ends meet (if both parents are still together) which means the kids are living on convenience foods or takeaways.
I guess I'm basically asking how you and the author of that rant think the kids can turn the clock back to the 1960s and undo the changes that your and the author's generation made?
I'm sure that in your day the roads were a lot emptier and so journeys were a lot quicker and safer and schools were a lot closer too. I also guess you didn't have to worry about being knifed or run the gauntlet of drug dealers either.
That’s a dystopian view of the average Joe’s world that I am happy that I don’t have to share.
Yes my dad worked and my mum was a housewife and my wife stayed at home for 19 years bringing up kids. But we made do with secondhand carpets furniture and TVs. Look at life now with everyone living beyond their means necessitating both parents going out to work. Just look at the BMWs and Mercs now on every housing estate, several foreign or skiing holidays a year. It is the sense of entitlement that pervades society nowadays which parents have subconsciously instilled in their kids. That’s why kids won’t pick up their own rubbish, that’s why our streets countryside and oceans are littered with rubbish.
We couldn’t do much 50 or even 20 years ago about our cars polluting the environment but we and the younger generation can all do something about the plastic and other rubbish that the modern lifestyle adds to it. Encouraging today’s youth to play the blame game won’t solve anything.
I won’t enter into a prolonged debate. You have your view and I have mine. Reply by all means but I’ll park my contribution here.Northern Lincolnshire. 7.8 kWp system, (4.2 kw west facing panels , 3.6 kw east facing), Solis inverters, Solar IBoost water heater, Mitsubishi SRK35ZS-S and SRK20ZS-S Wall Mounted Inverter Heat Pumps, ex Nissan Leaf owner)0
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