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GreatApe

A thread for deals on BEVs

This seems very tempting £5,631 for two years brand new EV
No road tax £300
No MOT £100
No congestion charge. £xyz
Around £2,350 fuel savings over the two years
Around £250 electric cost
Overall cost of ownership would be circa £5631 - £2,000 fuel - £300 road tax -£100 MOT +£250 electric so about £3,500 or 22p per mile for the capital cost which is very competitive

Also being a new car has no maintenance or breakdown costs so even lower cost Vs keeping your old car

Also the range may be only 180 miles but since it's a lease feel free to charge to 100% often as you don't need to worry about battery life rather than the more recommend 80% (although I'd say don't be an !!! treat the car well so the next owner has a good experience too)

5p night time charging

https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/hyundai-ioniq-electric-100kw-premium-38kwh-24m-lease-8k-miles-pa-1114-initial-189pm-160-admin-5631-at-leasing-options-3303000

Seems a good deal if in the market for a replacement car

Can buy via a company to save VAT and delivery around Jan so will benefit most its life from 0-1% BIK

Tempting......

GreatApe

Are home fast chargers necessary?
They seem like a waste and perhaps counter productive

Even if you limit yourself to 4hours night rate charging would this not add about 3KW X 4h at 85% efficiency = 10.2KWh per night? If you get 4 miles per KWh that's about 40 mile top up per night or 280 miles per week

Seems like the majority (>90%) would be fine with a three pin plug and limiting themselves to cheap rate charging only. This is also good because it's better for the grid
A million BEVs charging at say 2.5KW for 4 hours is better than a a million BEVs charging at 7KW for 1.5 hour

1961Nick

There is a government grant towards the cost of a home charging point so it needn't cost very much if you go for a basic one.

GreatApe

1961Nick wrote: »

There is a government grant towards the cost of a home charging point so it needn't cost very much if you go for a basic one.

Yes seems you can get one installed for about £300 after the grants
But why if you don't actually need it?

Even at a slow 2.3KW charge rate if you set it to start charging at 12.30 and charge until full you'd get about 35 miles on the cheap rate and mileage above that on the standard rate

So unless you frequently do over 40 miles per day it's probably not worthwhile
Average daily mileage in the UK is just 19.5 miles for a car
A typical person probably doesn't need it it's an additional cost that isn't necessary for them

Oh and this is for people who bother getting a cheap night time electricity rate
Average Jo probably wouldn't care or know or bother
They will plug in at 7pm and drive off at 8am so if they don't average more than 100 miles a day they will be fine even on the slow charger

almillar

Also being a new car has no maintenance or breakdown costs so even lower cost Vs keeping your old car

It'll need serviced. For slightly extra (£7?) you can include servicing, which even includes tyres. This is what I did with my Soul EV. DriveElectric also have a good deal on the eGolf at the moment.

Also the range may be only 180 miles but since it's a lease feel free to charge to 100% often as you don't need to worry about battery life rather than the more recommend 80% (although I'd say don't be an !!! treat the car well so the next owner has a good experience too)

Out of date advice. Charge it whatever way you like.

joefizz

Can someone please explain to me in simple terms how renting a brand new car for 2 years is a) green b) ethical c) moneysaving.


For the life of me I cant understand how a brand new, car rented for 2 years, meets any of these criteria when whole life cycle is taken into consideration regardless of propulsion unit....

GreatApe

joefizz wrote: »

Can someone please explain to me in simple terms how renting a brand new car for 2 years is a) green b) ethical c) moneysaving.

For the life of me I cant understand how a brand new, car rented for 2 years, meets any of these criteria when whole life cycle is taken into consideration regardless of propulsion unit....

Presumably it isn't crushed and sent to landfill after just the two year ownership.......

I reckon this will cost me only £3000 more over two years Vs keeping my old car
It will not save me money but I get to use a new car
Nicer stuff costs money not everything is about a saving or a return on investment

Also interestingly there seems to be a charger seconds from work which says £1.20 connection then charge as long as you like. If I've read that correct could go from 10% to 100% for just £1.20 or about a penny per mile

It's not really a saving Vs keeping my old car because the monthly cost is more than I'd pay for fuel on my existing car but as already said..... Not everything is about saving money or a return on investment.

However if your old car has packed it in and you need a new car anyway then this seems a good deal works out to less than 38p a mile for rental plus electricity plus road tax etc. Just need to add insurance onto that 38p a mile.

Solarchaser

Sticking my toe in this door, quiet expecting it to be slammed shut with the cry of "it's a traaaap".

So I have a 4 year old EV.
It only has a 24kwh battery.
I have for almost a year charged it with the 3 pin plug *granny* charger.

The granny charges at around 2.2Kw.
My onboard charger can only take 3.3Kw, so it's not a massive difference.

There is a £500 olev grant to get a charger, if you are lucky enough to live in Bonnie Scotland, the Scottish government gives you another £300 on top of this.

If I was for instance to have a tesla for work, then with the granny on the 12:30-04:30 tariff I'd get just shy of 9kw in the car, or say 30 miles.
But if I was using a 7kw charger it would be 28kw so more like 110 miles which covers most days daily travel... so certainly worth it.

If the arguement is most people do less than 40 miles in a day, then an 80 mile range 8k car should fit well, say a loan over 4 years with essentially just tyres and wipers to buy, and you are paying £200/month plus insurance to run a car.
And you would hope in 4 years time it wont have decreased much in value, and V2H should have finally arrived.

Better that, than paying a lease where you never own the vehicle.

GreatApe

GreatApe wrote: »

Yes seems you can get one installed for about £300 after the grants
But why if you don't actually need it?

Even at a slow 2.3KW charge rate if you set it to start charging at 12.30 and charge until full you'd get about 35 miles on the cheap rate and mileage above that on the standard rate

So unless you frequently do over 40 miles per day it's probably not worthwhile
Average daily mileage in the UK is just 19.5 miles for a car
A typical person probably doesn't need it it's an additional cost that isn't necessary for them

Oh and this is for people who bother getting a cheap night time electricity rate
Average Jo probably wouldn't care or know or bother
They will plug in at 7pm and drive off at 8am so if they don't average more than 100 miles a day they will be fine even on the slow charger

I assume in the future chargers will have to be smarter.
Calculating how much energy is needed and what period of time is available
If the power companies allocate 8h during the night for cheap rate BEVs
The car can figure out how much power it needs
The average car doing 20 miles a day will only need 0.6KW charge rate
If it has done 80 miles that day it charges at 2.4KW
If it has only done 4 miles it charges at just 0.12KW
Etc

This way the average UK BEV will only add about 600 watts demand to the grid.
20 million BEVs can be charged during the lower demand 8h with such variable power charger
Increasing night time demand 12GW which is doable

joefizz

GreatApe wrote: »

Presumably it isn't crushed and sent to landfill after just the two year ownership.......

So all the stuff thats dug out of the ground with fossil fuels, made into raw materials with fossil fuels, shipped around the world with fossil fuels, assembled with fossil fuels, transported with fossil fuels and stored/prepped with fossil fuels.
Thats one hell of a price to pay for nice things for just 2 years use. So not green or ethical.

GreatApe wrote: »

I reckon this will cost me only £3000 more over two years Vs keeping my old car
It will not save me money but I get to use a new car
Nicer stuff costs money not everything is about a saving or a return on investment

;-) Yeah...

GreatApe wrote: »

Also interestingly there seems to be a charger seconds from work which says £1.20 connection then charge as long as you like. If I've read that correct could go from 10% to 100% for just £1.20 or about a penny per mile

Plus the 3 grand above... and anyone considering a Tesla has to look at the insurance quotes... so not really moneysaving either.

GreatApe wrote: »

It's not really a saving Vs keeping my old car because the monthly cost is more than I'd pay for fuel on my existing car but as already said..... Not everything is about saving money or a return on investment.

Agreed but for 6k I can get a couple of year old Alfa Brera, do it up and go around in real style...

GreatApe wrote: »

However if your old car has packed it in and you need a new car anyway then this seems a good deal works out to less than 38p a mile for rental plus electricity plus road tax etc. Just need to add insurance onto that 38p a mile.

Nobody needs a new car and your figures depend on you using the full mileage which most people wont. Makes much more green, ethical and economic sense to get a couple of year old car and run that... of course your mates may not think you are cool.


Of course when the credit drying up accelerates we will all be mostly driving old cars or not driving at all.



disclaimer, Ive bought 2 new cars in my life and still have them. One is utilitarian, the other is nice... Ive also a campervan. I probably run all three for less than 3k over 2 years including tax insurance, depreciation and everything else.

1961Nick

joefizz wrote: »

Nobody needs a new car and your figures depend on you using the full mileage which most people wont. Makes much more green, ethical and economic sense to get a couple of year old car and run that... of course your mates may not think you are cool.

If the Ape doesn't but a new car & then sell it after 2 years, where do you get your 2 year old car from?