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fred246

I imagine a line of 64 year olds born in 1955. They are invited to come forward.
A woman? Cheque for £30k. Go and put your feet up.
A man. You get nothing. Go back to work.
Is it legal? Seems a bit sexist. I could imagine politicians planning that they will collect votes from WASPI women and then tell them the judges won't let them pay up.

colsten

fred246 wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see what the youth vote think about it. I thought labour were targeting the young. Tax the young workers so we can give money to people retiring earlier than the young can only dream of.

You'd be surprised, in a bad way, how many people want their mum to "get the money that was stolen from her". It is wonderful that they love their mum but quite scary that they are so clueless about the source of mum's state pension payments.

colsten

fred246 wrote: »

I imagine a line of 64 year olds born in 1955. They are invited to come forward.
A woman? Cheque for £30k. Go and put your feet up.
A man. You get nothing. Go back to work.
Is it legal? Seems a bit sexist. I could imagine politicians planning that they will collect votes from WASPI women and then tell them the judges won't let them pay up.

To make this scenario worse.

The woman who walks up to collect her cheque is the wife of a Cabinet Minister.

The man who walks up shares a birthday with the Cabinet Minister's wife but is so badly disabled he cannot work. He manages to survive on his £73/wk ESA with the help of the local food bank.

Before the SPA rises, a man in his situation could have got Pension Credit from age 60. But now his Pension Credit age is the same as the SPA of the wife of the Cabinet Minister.

As you say, the man gets nothing. Go back to your next ESA assessment. Perhaps you strike it lucky this time and they declare you fit for work. :mad:

tempus_fugit

colsten wrote: »

To make this scenario worse.

The woman who walks up to collect her cheque is the wife of a Cabinet Minister.

The man who walks up shares a birthday with the Cabinet Minister's wife but is so badly disabled he cannot work. He manages to survive on his £73/wk ESA with the help of the local food bank.

Before the SPA rises, a man in his situation could have got Pension Credit from age 60. But now his Pension Credit age is the same as the SPA of the wife of the Cabinet Minister.

As you say, the man gets nothing. Go back to your next ESA assessment. Perhaps you strike it lucky this time and they declare you fit for work. :mad:

Post of the month, or maybe even the year!

Silvertabby

colsten wrote: »

You'd be surprised, in a bad way, how many people want their mum to "get the money that was stolen from her". It is wonderful that they love their mum but quite scary that they are so clueless about the source of mum's state pension payments.

... or do they think that this money will end up in their pockets.

Paul_Herring

Silvertabby wrote: »

... or do they think that this money will end up in their pockets.

Possibly. But then again, those that think that way don't realise that it's also going to have to come of their pockets at some time...

Hopeless123

Pollycat wrote: »

And discussed in places like hairdressers.
The owner of the salon I use was one of the last ones to get her pension at age 60, my hairdresser is a lot younger.
We've had many a discussion over the last 3 years or so since the WASPI campaign and they both remember having discussions with clients after the 1995 change and the later change.

LOL, I haven't been in a hairdressers since the 80s when I had my hair permed

Hopeless123

So, I popped back to have a look and still it's the same. People saying you absolutely MUST have known. Well I absolutely didn't, and that's that. While some of the knowledgeable women were chatting in the hairdressers or reading magazines, I was working in offices where I was often the only woman of my age, and sometimes the only woman full stop. That may be another reason it never came up in conversation. You can all say what you like, I am not lying when I say I did not know.

westv

Hopeless123 wrote: »

So, I popped back to have a look and still it's the same. People saying you absolutely MUST have known. Well I absolutely didn't, and that's that. While some of the knowledgeable women were chatting in the hairdressers or reading magazines, I was working in offices where I was often the only woman of my age, and sometimes the only woman full stop. That may be another reason it never came up in conversation. You can all say what you like, I am not lying when I say I did not know.

I think people are saying that you should have made yourself aware. It has, at various times over the years, been on the TV, in the papers etc. Only you can be responsible for your pension.
The pension age for men will increase from 65 to 68+. That has never been discussed at my work but I still know about it.

Hopeless123

westv wrote: »

I think people are saying that you should have made yourself aware. It has, at various times over the years, been on the TV, in the papers etc. Only you can be responsible for your pension.
The pension age for men will increase from 65 to 68+. That has never been discussed at my work but I still know about it.

That's the problem, though, it was never something on my radar to be doubted. Why would I think I needed to check something without being told? It's all over the place now, but it wasn't then. I do remember reading that the state pension age was going up IN 2020 (I still have that article somewhere), and I remember thinking phew I'll miss it because I retire in 2016. In early 2012 I telephoned them to check if I would need to top up my NI contributions for the last 4 years in order to get full pension. The answer was yes, a little but not much. Even he didn't tell me:-( I got a letter telling me in 2013.