Comparison WITHOUT Smartmeter

Joe9090

Gerry1 wrote: »

As others have repeatedly suggested, why don't you just provide the first part of your postcode together with your usage in kWh so that forumites can number crunch the best solution for you?

The OP hasn't bitten but I will......
SW19
Gas 12,500 kWh
Electricity 3,100 kWh

AndyCF

I looked into moving to one of the 'zero standing charge' suppliers last year however when you look closer (even without doing the maths) as others have said (so I won't repeat the reasons again) it may not quite add up as you'd expect.

I did note at that time that the first few units were quite a bit more in cost, which is probably how the 'standing charge' is effectively taken in a way.

It is worth spending half an hour looking into it to see if you are better off or not with one of these tariffs.

Perhaps one revealing factor not mentioned is there are not -that- many suppliers actually offering them... You may draw your own conclusions from that.

Gerry1

Joe9090 wrote: »

The OP hasn't bitten but I will......
SW19
Gas 12,500 kWh
Electricity 3,100 kWh

Separate suppliers are cheaper.

https://energycompare.citizensadvice.org.uk/
https://switch.which.co.uk/

Dual Fuel

Green.energy £883.74, no exit fees
Avro £912.00, no exit fees

Electricity only

Symbio£421.86 fixed, exit fee £25
Green.energy £432.11 fixed, no exit fees

Gas only

Gulf, £437.40 fixed, exit fee £30
Zog £441.51 fixed, exit fee £30

Benight

OP - please see the advice given in the thread you started an hour after this one here:
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6050191/please-recommend-a-supplier-and-quote-their-rates

Joe9090

Re post 24.

Thanks for taking the time to research the above. I get confused by the many variables when comparing energy prices so your figures have helped.

As far as price only is concerned I should be looking at a range of £820 to £920 per year. I think the CEC has Outfox the Market at the lower figure but given their recent performance I would not use them anyway.

Cashback and the different incentives offered by suppliers after you join them can quite easily add up to £100 so the price range above is not as big as it looks.

When you factor in fixed rates and any possible increases in energy use it does become a minefield if you want to include a figure for budgeting purposes.

Nick_C

Joe9090 wrote: »

I think the CEC has Outfox the Market at the lower figure but given their recent performance I would not use them anyway

I was nearly put off OTM by the comments on CEC, but in my experience all the utility companies are incompetent. In the last 5 years, I've been with Scottish Power, British Gas, and Ovo. I've had to make formal complaints about all of them to try to get mistakes rectified.

I've switched from Ovo to OTM. So far, they have made a couple of silly and puzzling mistakes which have been quickly rectified. Until I get my first bill, I'll reserve judgement, but so far they are proving to be not as bad as any of my previous suppliers.

Jakubk

Houbara wrote: »

It is only the Tory government back in 2012 gave occupiers the options to refuse one. This can change at any time..
That was the government sticking its unwelcome nose into the affairs of the energy market once again.
The Labour government who were in power in 2008 started it off poking its nose in by making smart meters mandatory.They were already being installed by my employer British Gas who made them mandatory like all meter exchanges were.
British Gas liked the idea of them and were using them before there were any regulations . They had a large share of the market at that time and many years later their customers have had smart meters for over 10 years .
The Tories feared that smart meters may not be acceptable mistakenly backed down and gave the public the choice to refuse..
Before smart meters came in no one would dream of arguing the toss if the local DNO wanted to change their meters. You complied or got disconnected.. As a meter reader I still find it weird that a public can have its choice
The rest of the world who are installing smart meters, by and large, made smart meters mandatory.Even the Irish Republic as near neighbours made them compulsory and are well above us in the roll out.
OP, you sound very sure you won t accept a smart meter.What will you do if next week the Government turn round and make them mandatory ? The suppliers would do that tomorrow if government butted out and kept out of their affairs.

Not all of the world is installing them, they are being pushed by the EU but Germany is not having any of it, they keep kicking it into the long grass.

No one would dream of of arguing the toss if the local DNO wanted to change their meters, it might be because they did not cost us 13 BILLION.

This project was a white elephant to begin with, someone posted the original business case, not only was it far less but it was full of fluffy so called benefits.

If the industry had been told they could not increase energy prices nor standing charges but could install these meters at their own cost, they would never had done it, they do it because WE are paying for it. They get to fire meter readers, control the usage in a home at their whim and even cut people off, all remotely. Plus their cash flow and is massively improved with monthly billing as well as are their interest payments.

They are already planning on selling our data on usage.

We each need to pay £475 to grab our ankles and be truly shafted.