Comparison WITHOUT Smartmeter

Jakubk

Can anyone recommend a Energy Comparison Website that allows me to choose suppliers who do not insist on me having a smart meter?

They have been given another 4 years which is great as I have no intention of ever having a smart meter.

Jakubk

So I am taking that as a NO then?

Gerry1

As explained previously in one of your umpteen similar threads, you can opt for Variable Direct Debit with some companies, very similar to paying in a restaurant for your meal. No build up of credit and no need to make any journeys to the bank.

Similarly, forget the standing charge red herring and just search for the lowest total price for your measured annual usage in kWh.

As others have repeatedly suggested, why don't you just provide the first part of your postcode together with your usage in kWh so that forumites can number crunch the best solution for you?

AndyCF

I don't think anyone can 'insist' on you having a smart meter.

What could be 'insisted' is a replacement meter when your current one reaches its end of life (can't recall if this is 15 to 30 years depends on type I suppose) , if you can recall roughly when it was fitted this may help as a vague guide.

The 'concern' is then that the replacement might be a 'smart' , I'm not actually myself even though I have an 'active' one happy about the thought of a 'with coms hub disabled' one going in. I'd be happier if the coms module were not present *and* I could see there was no sim in it either, assuming the sim is not in the module (I must go and look at the manufacturers tech docs). Mind you nothing a bit of erm 'cagework' would not fix for the tinfoil hat people anyway.

Highland76

Jakubk wrote: »

They have been given another 4 years which is great as I have no intention of ever having a smart meter.

"ever"? Good luck with that as one day we will all have smart meters - though that "one day" could be 5/10/50/100 years from now.

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Jakubk wrote: »

Can anyone recommend a Energy Comparison Website that allows me to choose suppliers who do not insist on me having a smart meter?

They have been given another 4 years which is great as I have no intention of ever having a smart meter.

It is only the Tory government back in 2012 gave occupiers the options to refuse one. This can change at any time..
That was the government sticking its unwelcome nose into the affairs of the energy market once again.
The Labour government who were in power in 2008 started it off poking its nose in by making smart meters mandatory.They were already being installed by my employer British Gas who made them mandatory like all meter exchanges were.
British Gas liked the idea of them and were using them before there were any regulations . They had a large share of the market at that time and many years later their customers have had smart meters for over 10 years .
The Tories feared that smart meters may not be acceptable mistakenly backed down and gave the public the choice to refuse..
Before smart meters came in no one would dream of arguing the toss if the local DNO wanted to change their meters. You complied or got disconnected.. As a meter reader I still find it weird that a public can have its choice
The rest of the world who are installing smart meters, by and large, made smart meters mandatory.Even the Irish Republic as near neighbours made them compulsory and are well above us in the roll out.
OP, you sound very sure you won t accept a smart meter.What will you do if next week the Government turn round and make them mandatory ? The suppliers would do that tomorrow if government butted out and kept out of their affairs.

Nick_C

I've just changed suppliers, and the cheapest deals at present are from small companies like Yorkshire Energy and Outfox The Market, who do not currently offer or support smart meters.

So just use any comparison site and do your homework!

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Highland76 wrote: »

"ever"? Good luck with that as one day we will all have smart meters - though that "one day" could be 5/10/50/100 years from now.

Or even 5 weeks ! even the dopey Tory Energy minister who gave the public the choice to refuse back in 2012 must realise its a huge mistake.
Smart prepayment low rates rely on everyone having a smart meter. That can t happen if , say 35% are refusing them

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Gerry1 wrote: »

As explained previously in one of your umpteen similar threads, you can opt for Variable Direct Debit with some companies, very similar to paying in a restaurant for your meal. No build up of credit and no need to make any journeys to the bank.

Similarly, forget the standing charge red herring and just search for the lowest total price for your measured annual usage in kWh.

As others have repeatedly suggested, why don't you just provide the first part of your postcode together with your usage in kWh so that forumites can number crunch the best solution for you?

Its not a "red herring " as you say to forget about standing charge. It has to be included in the total yearly costs. Some suppliers charge over 30 p a day, £100 a year which could easily represent 25% of a low users total yearly usage..The bottom line is always the total yearly costs including VAT and DSC.
Comparing total yearly cost for your predicted usage is the way and that means you could just as well ignore the kwh rates .All the comp sites I use automatically flag up total yearly costs

spot1034

If they'd just been rolled out area by area, street by street regardless of who your supplier was (which would have been a much more efficient way of doing it) and had just been referred to as 'new generation', 'upgraded' or something along those lines, I doubt there would have been much objection and most of us would probably have them by now.

Gerry1

Houbara wrote: »

Its not a "red herring " as you say to forget about standing charge. It has to be included in the total yearly costs. Some suppliers charge over 30 p a day, £100 a year which could easily represent 25% of a low users total yearly usage..The bottom line is always the total yearly costs including VAT and DSC.
Comparing total yearly cost for your predicted usage is the way and that means you could just as well ignore the kwh rates .All the comp sites I use automatically flag up total yearly costs

Once again you are misrepresenting me. It is a red herring to think that you can magically save £200 p.a. simply by finding a tariff without a standing charge. As I've made clear several times in these half dozen threads by the same OP, you need to determine the TOTAL costs based on the measured annual usage. Obviously, these costs will include the standing charge(s), plus the metered units, plus VAT (plus any exit fees, if incurred).

Apart from largely irrelevant exceptional cases such as lock-up garages, holiday homes and empty properties, the cheapest tariffs may or may not include standing charge(s), that's the important point. The red herring is that if you blindly select a tariff with no standing charge you may well find that the high unit rates will end up making the overall cost more expensive.