"It's my turn to ask for perspective" update

justme111

Because I am human and my phone does predictive spelling which I do not check particularly thoroughly ?
Thank you for your valuable contribution .

Artytarty

You are most welcome!

justme111

I have thought a bit about artyarty's post.
He/she felt the need to point out an error/typo in my post . Why would one do that? He/she then connected it with my job implying I either not who I say I am or I do not deserve to be who I am because I made that mistake/type.
I wonder why would one be so obnoxious to someone who has not done anything wrong to them , just out of the blue?
onwards&upwards, I am curious what thousand of years experience proves that amounts well above recommended ( of course they were just approximate of opinions of people who work in the field of medicine, ie "plucked out of thin air" as sensationalist article posted by malthusian was claiming. Who in sound kind would think it was possible to work out the exact numbers- over different timeframes, lifespans, patterns, diets, genetics, other factors) are not harmful 😆.
What people think on this subject affects me because classing alcohol consumption of 40+ units/week as an innocuous personal preference refusing to acknowledge the damage it does facilitates people like my ex thinking it is all right and causing a relationship breakdown which I am grieving now. Because he chosen alcohol over me and all that we built together has been broken.

Artytarty

I'll tell you why.
You set yourself up for a fall, telling us you are a dentist, ie an educated person to be respected. I expect better than shoddy spelling, no excuses about auto correct. I generally let these things pass , many of us have not had the benefit of a good secondary school education, never mind third level and that's fine.
However , think you know yourself that you were plain wrong and standards do matter and that has riled you. Accept it and move on.

Fire_Fox

Malthusian wrote: »

Different perspectives.

You define addiction as someone having a drink one evening and another the next evening whereas I define it as being unable to not have a drink the next evening.

The symptoms you listed in this thread are red herrings. You cannot get high blood pressure from a single night of binging causing a blackout. Blacking out after drinking too much alcohol is really bad, and if you're over the age of 20 you seriously need to grow up. But it doesn't cause high blood pressure - that's a chronic condition.

Too much of the different perspectives in discussions on healthcare or medical topics is down to erroneous definitions. The lay definitions of many health terms are worryingly inaccurate, and feed into a false sense of 'us' and 'them'.

Justme111's broader scope of alcohol dependency and addiction is much closer to that used throughout healthcare, than the narrow lay definition of an 'alcoholic' or 'addict' used in this thread and on this sub. Suggesting anyone overdoing a substance they are dependent on "seriously needs to grow up" shows a lack of understanding.

Humans can and do have both acute and chronic elevated (high) blood pressure, and both acute and chronic low blood pressure. Acute episodes of high BP would most often be a symptom of another health problem. Chronic high BP is the medical condition hypertension.

Malthusian wrote: »

The other symptom you listed was poor dental hygiene. This would actually have been made worse by his cutting down on drinking, as you said in your previous thread that he substituted alcohol with a lot of sugary drinks. (Naturally there was nothing stopping him sticking to water, other than it was another sacrifice too far.)

The strong cider and strong beer favoured by many who abuse alcohol are highly acidic and can contain a shocking amount of sugar to offset the acidity. Many will drink a much greater volume in a day of a carbonated alcoholic drink than we might of a sugary squash, so bathing our mouths in acid/ sugar fairly constantly/ much more frequently. It is not uncommon for addicts to wake up in the night to use (alcohol, comfort food, tobacco). The damage to teeth is not linked to laziness as you imply.

Malthusian wrote: »

Not saying his drinking hadn't caused long term damage, but the symptoms you raised are more an indication of an unhealthy lifestyle generally - poor diet, lack of exercise and bad dental hygiene. Too much alcohol is part of an unhealthy lifestyle but only part. If I told you that my boyfriend got high blood pressure because he was too lazy to brush his teeth you'd think I was cracked. On the other hand if I said that I split up from my boyfriend because I couldn't stand his blackened teeth, that would be my choice and I don't need to justify it further.

There is no single unhealthy 'alcoholic lifestyle' any more than there is one type of person who is abusing alcohol. For example

- Someone ('functioning alcoholic') who continues to function as an employee and/ or within a family unit has a high chance of eating as well as their partner/ spouse, and of being as active or as sedentary as their colleagues.

- Someone ('street drinker') who spends their days with other drinkers and drug users is very likely to also be a tobacco smoker, yet above average in daily physically activity as they walk for transport. In my city some of this walking is to access free hot meals supplied by charitable groups. Formal exercise is not required for health BTW.

The public being unaware of or unwilling to accept the strong links between our own unhealthy behaviours and a raft of common disabling chronic health conditions does not make it any less true. It is not cracked: we are (virtually all) harming ourselves with our 'normal' lifestyle choices.

Fire_Fox

Artytarty wrote: »

I'll tell you why.
You set yourself up for a fall, telling us you are a dentist, ie an educated person to be respected. I expect better than shoddy spelling, no excuses about auto correct. I generally let these things pass , many of us have not had the benefit of a good secondary school education, never mind third level and that's fine.
However , think you know yourself that you were plain wrong and standards do matter and that has riled you. Accept it and move on.

The OP neither said nor implied that, the inference is entirely yours. Their disclosure of being trained in dentistry was clearly linked to the part of discussion on poor oral hygiene/ dental decay and general health.

Plenty of degree students, graduates and post-graduates have a learning disability such as dyslexia, dysgraphia or dyspraxia. Plenty of people who once had excellent spelling or grammar find it increasing challenging due to a health condition, a prescription medication or age-related decline.

Are all these excuses to you rather than reasons? Do your standards matter more than MSE being inclusive? Do all these people deserve a fall if they dare disclose their profession?

justme111

Artytarty wrote: »

I'll tell you why.
You set yourself up for a fall, telling us you are a dentist, ie an educated person to be respected. I expect better than shoddy spelling, no excuses about auto correct. I generally let these things pass , many of us have not had the benefit of a good secondary school education, never mind third level and that's fine.
However , think you know yourself that you were plain wrong and standards do matter and that has riled you. Accept it and move on.

Standards ? What standards ? Writing "bear" instead of "beer" on an internet forum ? Are you serious? Please do not use imperative form of verbs addressing me :" accept and move" , that's rude.

Malthusian

justme111 wrote: »

So waiting for links telling me how consumption of 4 x 700ml bear 4 days/week for years is not harmful.

Even if I could knock over your straw man, I'm not sure there's much point as his alcohol consumption changes as necessary to support your view.

From 25 units a week to 40 units a week to 5 pints a night four times a week (who sells beer in 700ml bottles?) which for a moderately strong beer would be 60 units a week. All in the space of a week.

By pursuing this argument further I'll make his drinking even worse and I'm not sure I want that on my conscience.

Artytarty

Fire_Fox wrote: »

The OP neither said nor implied that, the inference is entirely yours. Their disclosure of being trained in dentistry was clearly linked to the part of discussion on poor oral hygiene/ dental decay and general health.

Plenty of degree students, graduates and post-graduates have a learning disability such as dyslexia, dysgraphia or dyspraxia. Plenty of people who once had excellent spelling or grammar find it increasing challenging due to a health condition, a prescription medication or age-related decline.

Are all these excuses to you rather than reasons? Do your standards matter more than MSE being inclusive? Do all these people deserve a fall if they dare disclose their profession?

Can you not see the irony in the OPs signature?
I taught her how to spell beer, she teaches everyone , the true meaning and use of the word dilemma. To be fair, it was quite interesting!
Haha!

Pollycat

justme111 wrote: »

What people think on this subject affects me because classing alcohol consumption of 40+ units/week as an innocuous personal preference refusing to acknowledge the damage it does facilitates people like my ex thinking it is all right and causing a relationship breakdown which I am grieving now. Because he chosen alcohol over me and all that we built together has been broken.

Who has said 40+ units/week is an innocuous personal preference?
Someone of this thread?
Someone in RL?

You started off by saying:

justme111 wrote: »

He did. Then he stopped at certain level ( about 25 units/week) which in my opinion was way too high and nothing budged him from that.

to which I commented:

Pollycat wrote: »

TBH, I don't think 25 units per week is that bad.

I've not commented on your ex drinking 40 units per week.