A Question for Tory Supporters

Dee_Best

It is not a lack of empathy but more an application of common sense.
If more people employed common sense rather than bleated on with their faux liberal idealism they might see that so many of these supposed problems are not really problems; they are the perceptions of a few bleeding heart liberals that have no conception of life in the real world.

Examples?

Okay, a supposed 4700 rough sleepers.
There are approximately 48000 towns, cities & villages in the UK.
Where are these rough sleepers concentrated and why?

We have a rough sleeper, though he's getting on now.
He refused point-blank to sleep in an enclosed space after a fire consumed his home resulting in the death of his family, many years ago now.
Although I'm not suggesting all the 4700 have the same set of circumstances I'm willing to bet that a fair few are similar and for whatever reason do not want a home to sleep in.

Yes we're all never far away from some disaster that could lead to out being homeless; we should consider ourselves fortunate that no flood, hurricane, earthquake or similar has rendered us so .
Ah.
You see, there's another reason for the 4700.
Those made homeless for days after the Derbyshire damn burst it's banks would count in that number you see.
And in recent years we've has quite a few floods and storms.

So like I say, don't take it as a lack of empathy.
I'm certain it is not.
Rather it's the realisation that what you're being told is a problem really isn't a problem to any significant degree.
As such there are far more pressing real problems.

How about the increase in measles & mumps as a result of declining uptake of the MMR vaccine for example?
The UK has lost it's measles-free status this year, with cases approaching 1000 per year.
Or heart disease, which is still the UK's biggest killer and is responsible for around 170,000 deaths every year.

So definitely no "I'm alright Jack" in my opinion.
More a case of getting priorities right.
Oh & I'm not saying that priorities as things stand are right or indeed will ever be right, because I completely understand that personal circumstances and experiences will lead to different priorities.

Mee

I think they've new depth with their recent trick:


Tories misrepresent critical BBC News article in Facebook ad

Drawer_full_of_socks

Sailtheworld wrote: »

You almost seem to be blaming poor people with children for you or someone else not getting sufficient disability benefits. What's the story?

Certainly sounds that way.

BikingBud

Mee wrote: »

I think they've new depth with their recent trick:


Tories misrepresent critical BBC News article in Facebook ad

So what is your objection?

The figure?

The way it has been presented? See below.

Posting on FB? Rule 1 do not trust FB:eek:

Or just the Tories in their entirety?

Any which way let's not conflate the issues here.

The article carried analysis by Robert Cuffe, the BBC’s head of statistics, discussing the funding announcement: “The prime minister said he would invest ‘over £14bn in primary and secondary education between now and 2022-23’. That includes an additional £2.6bn next year, £4.8bn the year after that and £7.1bn in 2022-23. When you add all three together, you get £14.5bn, but that’s not normally how we talk about spending increases.”

That seems above board to me in fact he seems to have undersold himself by 1/2 billion.

Cuffe concluded: “Describing this as a £14bn increase would make the government seem more generous than it is in fact being.”

So is the Government investing 14.5 billion or not?

The fact that someone does not like the way things have been gathered up does not make the statement incorrect or misleading.

Stop getting precious and realise the everything on FB is lies the same as 97.35678% of stats are made up on the spot:o

Arklight

There are well over 300,000 homeless people in Britain.

https://fullfact.org/online/homeless-people-britain-iceland/

Moe_The_Bartender

Arklight wrote: »

There are well over 300,000 homeless people in Britain.

https://fullfact.org/online/homeless-people-britain-iceland/

Homeless people and rough sleepers are two different things.

Arklight

Moe_The_Bartender wrote: »

Homeless people and rough sleepers are two different things.

Maybe. Rough sleepers are hard to calculate for obvious reasons. Considering the number of spikes that posh tax dodging companies in London like to install to deter them I presume it's not a negligible problem.

There is something wrong with a society that tries to solve homelessness with spikes.

phillw

BikingBud wrote: »

The fact that someone does not like the way things have been gathered up does not make the statement incorrect or misleading.

If a company started advertising VAT exclusive prices without explicitly saying so and then added the extra 20% when you tried to pay, would you not consider that misleading?

We only have VAT inclusive prices as a convention.
Budgets also have a convention.

Conventions are important, without them we are unable to communicate (language itself is a convention).

The conservatives deliberately broke that convention on their advert, the advert has been removed.

BikingBud

phillw wrote: »

If a company started advertising VAT exclusive prices without explicitly saying so and then added the extra 20% when you tried to pay, would you not consider that misleading?

We only have VAT inclusive prices as a convention.
Budgets also have a convention.

Conventions are important, without them we are unable to communicate (language itself is a convention).

The conservatives deliberately broke that convention on their advert, the advert has been removed.

Costco do that!

But you are seeking to foment another argument, the figures add up, so I'm putting it down to the fact that you just despise the Tories in their entirety.

phillw

BikingBud wrote: »

Costco do that!

I don't shop there, but I just tried their web site and they don't appear to do that.
Maybe they used to, before they read this https://www.asa.org.uk/uploads/assets/uploaded/adac9dec-45de-4bfe-90a1194ba10ad1d2.pdf

BikingBud wrote: »

But you are seeking to foment another argument

No, it's the same thing. If you break from a convention without saying so, then you are purposefully misleading. The conservatives did that, either deliberately or through ignorance.

The original advert doesn't even make sense
https://fullfact.org/news/conservative-ad-headline/

The original article already claimed that the government using the total wasn't normal, they still linked to it and made the claim again. At that point, it makes it look like the government were trolling the bbc.

BikingBud wrote: »

, the figures add up, so I'm putting it down to the fact that you just despise the Tories in their entirety.

Only the lying fascist xenophobic ones that we have now. They expelled the wrong ones.