A Question for Tory Supporters

SpiderLegs

Arklight is just upset because we now have an official leave party and an official remain party.
His lot are the official waste of time, fence sitting, stuck in no mans land party.

BikingBud

Drawer_full_of_socks wrote: »

And how many people do you think that is?

Do you know that the majority of social security expenditure goes to pensioners?

Pensions £111bn 42%
Incapacity, disability & injury benefits £44bn 16%
Unemployment benefits £2bn 1%
Housing benefits £25bn 10%
Family benefits, income support & tax credits £46bn 18%
Personal social services and other benefits £35bn 13%


The conservatives will never be honest about these statistics as they know the amount lost through uncollected taxation dwarfs the unemployment payments.

I cannot see the figures to support your assertion there:

Do you know that the majority of social security expenditure goes to pensioners?

Do you have some more data to underpin your claim?

Drawer_full_of_socks

BikingBud wrote: »

I cannot see the figures to support your assertion there: Do you have some more data to underpin your claim?

Straight from the ONS, this is common knowledge, or at least it should be.


https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/articles/howisthewelfarebudgetspent/2016-03-16

Thrugelmir

enthusiasticsaver wrote: »

maybe some tax dodging multi national corporations or wealthy individuals should receive some of the ire on this thread.

Difference between those that expoilt the rules legitimately and those that commit fraud intentionally .

"Tax dodging" has to be addressed on an international scale to be effective. Even the countries in the Eurozone cannot come to a unified position. The world might be global these days but protectionism is on the rise.

Drawer_full_of_socks

oddjobbpb wrote: »

Yes, the Tories are absolutely dreadful


Until you compare them to the others.

Labour....sitting on the fence, trying to save both their remain and leave voters, crazy spending plans. Fortunately Corbyn is unelectable as PM, so little danger there.

Lib Dems....will get torn to shreds in an election campaign once they are portrayed as ignoring the referendum.

Brexit party...will lose a good amount of their following as long as any brexit deal can be sold as strog enough.

The others are also rans.

TBQH I don't care who gets in as long as it's not Labour.

I think Labour are trying to unite the country by getting a deal and then offering it upto the country to decide. Not everything has to be black or white, most things are grey and require a bit of nuance, this is the problem with the country, the majority are stuck supporting a team/idea rather than looking at the facts.

BikingBud

Drawer_full_of_socks wrote: »

Straight from the ONS, this is common knowledge, or at least it should be.


https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/articles/howisthewelfarebudgetspent/2016-03-16

Ok lets try again. You said that:

Do you know that the majority of social security expenditure goes to pensioners?

Pensions £111bn 42%
Incapacity, disability & injury benefits £44bn 16%
Unemployment benefits £2bn 1%
Housing benefits £25bn 10%
Family benefits, income support & tax credits £46bn 18%
Personal social services and other benefits £35bn 13%

Now why would you expect me to pick over your links to review figures when in very simple terms your first statement is false? If there is hidden expenditure then tell me where it is because the figures you quoted advise 42% for pensions. Now taking into account if the figures you quote also add up to 100%, that £111Bn is less than the majority:o

Thrugelmir

Drawer_full_of_socks wrote: »

I think Labour are trying to unite the country by getting a deal and then offering it upto the country to decide.

Half the Labour party wish to campaign to remain though.

The EU has no wish to start negotiations all over again. If Labour have ideas let's hear them now.

Drawer_full_of_socks

SpiderLegs wrote: »

Arklight is just upset because we now have an official leave party and an official remain party.
His lot are the official waste of time, fence sitting, stuck in no mans land party.

This kind of thinking is ruining the country, Labour suspects that a Brexit deal better than the one arranged by the May government is possible, and would like to explore that possibility. It also suspects that even an improved deal would be worse than no Brexit at all. Nonetheless, it would like to give the people the final say on the two options. It is hard to imagine any democrat objecting to this position.


But not so hard when you consider the amount of hysteria whipped up in the Sun et al whenever Mr Corbyn so much as utters a thought.

Drawer_full_of_socks

BikingBud wrote: »

Ok lets try again. You said that:

Now why would you expect me to pick over your links to review figures when in very simple terms your first statement is false? If there is hidden expenditure then tell me where it is because the figures you quoted advise 42% for pensions. Now taking into account if the figures you quote also add up to 100%, that £111Bn is less than the majority:o

The state pension is the largest single item of welfare spending making up 42 per cent of the total. Is that better? but in case you'd like to argue against the actual facts as produced by the government, here's another link

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/benefit-expenditure-and-caseload-tables-information-and-guidance/benefit-expenditure-and-caseload-tables-information-and-guidance


Over 55% of social security expenditure goes to pensioners.
The government is forecast to spend £121 billion on pensioners and £94 billion on working age people and children this year. In 2017 to 2018 £121 billion was spent on pensioners and £96 billion was spent on working age people and children.

BikingBud

Why not use up to date figures as well?

The central government is budgeted to spend £667.7 billion in FY 2020. Pension programs, including the state pension and civil service pensions, will cost about £161.1 billion; health care and the NHS will cost £143 billion; defence, including the Ministry of Defence and the Foreign & Commonwealth Office, will cost about £50.3 billion. Welfare, or Social Security, costs for the central government will come in at £71.4 billion, and central government education expenditures are budgeted at £44.6 billion. Interest on the national debt is estimated at £51.7 billion.

Pensions, welfare and health services, incl NHS are all separate, so smugly misquoting out of date information really does you no favours:o