No deal Brexit or Corbyn government?

Green_Bear

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Globalisation hasn't benefitted everyone equitably.

That is true. Although it has probably benefited the average Chinese citizen more than the average US citizen.

Some would say The West now has echos of the 1930s, politically speaking.
Others say we are heading back towards the 1970s, economy wise.

Maybe the pendulum will swing every 40 years or so? An adult lifetime.
That's how long communism lasted in Eastern Europe / Warsaw Pact.

40 years now since Thatcher elected.

Sailtheworld

Green_Bear wrote: »

Well I frequently hear about these opinion polls predicting this or that election result.
But I have never, ever been asked anything by an opinion poll. And I'm no spring chicken anymore.
So I don't know who they have actually been asking all these years.

..people other than you?

Green_Bear

Sailtheworld wrote: »

..people other than you?

Well, yes. Obviously.
Unless they're just making it all up?

I've never heard of anyone I know being asked either.

Have you been quizzed by them?

Green_Bear

It would be interesting to see how Big Business in the UK would answer this question.

Apparently, out of the two options given - they'd go for Corbyn.

Probably because they view any negative polices as more easily reversible, with a change of UK govt.

Also, for multinationals, the threat of nationalisation in the UK can be slightly resisted by having overseas shareholders.

BananaRepublic

The prospect of a Corbyn government terrifies me. What we always see with hard Left governments is that they ignore reality. When the economy plummets, it’s always the fault of capitalists, of big corporations, of Fascists and so on. Anyone who criticises them becomes an enemy of the state. We already see this with anti semitism. So many Labour figures deny it exists and blame it on anti Labour groups out to destroy the Labour movement. It is said to be merely a conspiracy, even though senior Jewish Labour politicians are routinely subjected to vile abuse from party members.

Thrugelmir

Green_Bear wrote: »

That is true. Although it has probably benefited the average Chinese citizen more than the average US citizen.

Some would say The West now has echos of the 1930s, politically speaking.
Others say we are heading back towards the 1970s, economy wise.

Maybe the pendulum will swing every 40 years or so? An adult lifetime.
That's how long communism lasted in Eastern Europe / Warsaw Pact.

40 years now since Thatcher elected.

China has achieved in a decade what it took the US a 100 years to achieve.

Western economies are very different to those of the 70's. Manufacturing now highly automated. Far greater dependence on service industries. Falling populations are going to be a challenge. With fewer in work to support those retired.

By 2050 Nigeria will have the 4th largest population by size. Africa has yet to have an impact. The Chinese though are already making inroads into the continent.

Thrugelmir

Green_Bear wrote: »

Also, for multinationals, the threat of nationalisation in the UK can be slightly resisted by having overseas shareholders.

Or by simply shutting UK operations. Over 1,000 US companies have their European bases in Eire already.

Herzlos

BananaRepublic wrote: »

The prospect of a Corbyn government terrifies me. What we always see with hard Left governments is that they ignore reality. When the economy plummets, it’s always the fault of capitalists, of big corporations, of Fascists and so on. Anyone who criticises them becomes an enemy of the state. We already see this with anti semitism. So many Labour figures deny it exists and blame it on anti Labour groups out to destroy the Labour movement. It is said to be merely a conspiracy, even though senior Jewish Labour politicians are routinely subjected to vile abuse from party members.

You could say exactly the same for a hard right government. Everything about Brexit so far has always been someone else's fault.

Poor_Leno

I think I'll vote for Lib Dems.

I could stomach another referendum more than either a Corbyn Government or No Deal.

Though, in all honesty all three are awful. Another referendum is just the best worst option from what I see.

phillw

Poor_Leno wrote: »

I think I'll vote for Lib Dems.

I could stomach another referendum more than either a Corbyn Government or No Deal.

Though, in all honesty all three are awful. Another referendum is just the best worst option from what I see.

I'd like to add that a Boris Government is also pretty horrific. So any solution that can get rid of him would also be good.

Labour look much better in parliament than the Conservatives do.