No deal Brexit or Corbyn government?

Green_Bear

Whoever was in charge, Brexit would have become an issue sooner or later.

Go back to the 1990s and Brexit was a fringe issue. UKIP were considered fruitcakes. No body cared about the EU. Most people were pro-EU.

Then came EU expansion into Central / Eastern Europe.
Gordon Brown called that woman a bigot and the whole thing started becoming an issue.

The late 1990s were probably the best recent times for the UK.
It's been mostly downhill since, especially with the Afghan and Iraq wars.

Sailtheworld

Interesting poll from Politico

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-voters-favor-no-deal-brexit-over-jeremy-corbyn-as-pm-poll/

While 43 percent of respondents said Corbyn as prime minister would be the worst possible outcome, just 35 percent said a no-deal exit would be worse. About one-quarter said they are both equally bad options.

Not quite phrased in the same way as this poll and there was an option to choose neither but it does show that this little internet backwater seems to be quite out of step with the population at large.

Not a surprise to anyone I would've thought.

Green_Bear

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Interesting poll from Politico

Not quite phrased in the same way as this poll and there was an option to choose neither but it does show that this little internet backwater seems to be quite out of step with the population at large.

Not a surprise to anyone I would've thought.

Well I frequently hear about these opinion polls predicting this or that election result.
But I have never, ever been asked anything by an opinion poll. And I'm no spring chicken anymore.
So I don't know who they have actually been asking all these years.

Thrugelmir

Green_Bear wrote: »

BUT - his policies have re-energised the Left Wing (in the USA also).

Really. I think you are off track with that sentiment. Americans are notoriously insular.

Green_Bear

An interesting follow on question would be - 'what do you fear about Corbyn?'

In my experience, people generally fall into two camps on this one:

1. He's friends with IRA / Hezbollah etc
2. He'll increase my taxes etc.

Green_Bear

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Really. I think you are off track with that sentiment. Americans are notoriously insular.

I meant that Left Wing policies in general have seen a resurgence across The West.
In the USA it's all about AOC, Bernie Sanders etc.

Cakeguts

Green_Bear wrote: »

An interesting follow on question would be - 'what do you fear about Corbyn?'

In my experience, people generally fall into two camps on this one:

1. He's friends with IRA / Hezbollah etc
2. He'll increase my taxes etc.

What I fear about Corbyn is Momentum. They are the ones pulling his strings.

Thrugelmir

Green_Bear wrote: »

I meant that Left Wing policies in general have seen a resurgence across The West.
In the USA it's all about AOC, Bernie Sanders etc.

Globalisation hasn't benefitted everyone equitably.

Green_Bear

Cakeguts wrote: »

What I fear about Corbyn is Momentum. They are the ones pulling his strings.

So what is it about Momentum you fear?

Malthusian

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Was already stitched up. The Blair/Brown pact was all that held the factions of the Labour party together.

DM was the more talented of the two brothers by a clear margin.

Talented at what? Not at winning votes, which is the only talent a politician has. He lost the only meaningful one he faced to his brother (his constituency was a safe Labour seat). And if he had any other talents he wouldn't be a failed politician.

In 2007 the Granita Pact was 13 years ago. Brown still needed to win a leadership contest to fulfil it. Miliband had the stature to be a credible challenger (unlike McDonnell), the future vs the past, but bottled it and waited for Cameron to do for Brown instead. Whatever his alleged talents the Labour party didn't forget that he was a bottler who'd run away from the real fight in the hope of an easier run to the leadership later.

If Miliband had won in 2007 it would have only meant that he'd have overseen the loss of the 2010 election to Cameron in the wake of the credit crisis, I'm just countering the "if only they'd elected the other Miliband" narrative. Neither of the Milibands were future Prime Ministers, they were the human embodiment of the post-Granita leadership vacuum at the top of the Labour Party.