No deal Brexit or Corbyn government?

1Foz

I wonder how many people will vote Corbyn and then wish they hadn't when LISA is among labour's first victims when they go into a coalition government with the SNP and Lib Dems (its coming, mark my words!).

The question is...would you vote with your morals and conscience in tact, or commit economic esponiage? I like that term, btw. Hope you like it

Personally, as a person living in a constituency that was a Lib Dem seat for most of my adult life (
and a person I supported as they were a fantastic parliamentarian in Annette Brooke ) I am facing a battle of wills. I voted to leave (marginally in my head, btw) yet would never vote Tory. I can't vote for labour and last time we only had these three parties on the ballot paper. Is it even possible to vote Lib Dem while I actually think I would not change my leave vote if there was another referndum?! It all sounds so absurd but no deal brexit or Corbyn government are not pallatable for me ! Which basically leaves me as tactical voter status.

I wonder if anyone in this country has a similar head space as I do. Probably not. ha.

Green_Bear

1Foz wrote: »

I wonder how many people will vote Corbyn and then wish they hadn't when LISA is among labour's first victims when they go into a coalition government with the SNP and Lib Dems (its coming, mark my words!).

The question is...would you vote with your morals and conscience in tact, or commit economic esponiage? I like that term, btw. Hope you like it

Personally, as a person living in a constituency that was a Lib Dem seat for most of my adult life (
and a person I supported as they were a fantastic parliamentarian in Annette Brooke ) I am facing a battle of wills. I voted to leave (marginally in my head, btw) yet would never vote Tory. I can't vote for labour and last time we only had these three parties on the ballot paper. Is it even possible to vote Lib Dem while I actually think I would not change my leave vote if there was another referndum?! It all sounds so absurd but no deal brexit or Corbyn government are not pallatable for me ! Which basically leaves me as tactical voter status.

I wonder if anyone in this country has a similar head space as I do. Probably not. ha.

Do you mean 'sabotage' - rather than 'espionage'?

Thrugelmir

Green_Bear wrote: »

But someone like Clive Lewis or Richard Burgan or Andy Burnham? Yes, they probably would - even with all the same left wing policies in place.

Andy Burnham has tried twice and failed. Unlikely to return.

phillw

1Foz wrote: »

Which basically leaves me as tactical voter status.

I wonder if anyone in this country has a similar head space as I do. Probably not. ha.

Every newspaper with a political agenda publishes tactical voting guides, so in terms of that point then no you're not alone.

In terms of a lib dem voting to leave, I know a lib dem/green floater who believed the red bus lie and the "nothing will change apart from money for the NHS" and voted purely on that.

So again I don't think you're alone. I won't say they regret their decision, but they accepted that everything they based their decision on appears to now be a lie. They are too busy replacing their plastic toothbrushes with bamboo ones etc. So they aren't taking any responsibility for believing such blatant lies. It's human nature.

Green_Bear

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Andy Burnham has tried twice and failed. Unlikely to return.

That shows the difference between Labour members (pro-Corbyn) and Labour voters (not so keen on Corbyn).

Thrugelmir

Green_Bear wrote: »

That shows the difference between Labour members (pro-Corbyn) and Labour voters (not so keen on Corbyn).

Then people should become members if they wish to influence the outcome.

Labour took the wrong turn when they selected the wrong Miliband.

Tammykitty

I would like both!

Malthusian

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Then people should become members if they wish to influence the outcome.

Labour took the wrong turn when they selected the wrong Miliband.

Miliband D couldn't even beat Miliband E so he certainly wasn't going to beat Cameron. As the left-wing members of this forum will no doubt agree, Labour didn't need any more Tory Lite. Miliband E wasn't a wrong turn, he was the end of the road, the fag-end of New Labour.

2010 was too soon to break with 16 years of New Labour. McDonnell made a hopeless attempt to stand against Brown in 2007 and failed to get a nomination, Abbott stood in 2010 and got her bus fare home. But 2010 was also too late for a representative of Blarism to be anything other than a placeholder.

Miliband D bottled his chance of ever becoming Prime Minister when he failed to challenge Gordon Brown for the succession in 2007. There was a vacancy for the "heir to Blair" but Miliband didn't apply.

Green_Bear

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Then people should become members if they wish to influence the outcome.

Labour took the wrong turn when they selected the wrong Miliband.

Maybe they should. But I don't think they will.
More likely they'll just carry on voting Labour despite Corbyn, or vote for The Brexit Party.

Thrugelmir

Malthusian wrote: »

Miliband D bottled his chance of ever becoming Prime Minister when he failed to challenge Gordon Brown for the succession in 2007. There was a vacancy for the "heir to Blair" but Miliband didn't apply.

Was already stitched up. The Blair/Brown pact was all that held the factions of the Labour party together.

DM was the more talented of the two brothers by a clear margin.