Right hand land on roundabouts

martinthebandit

Supersonos wrote: »

My car has something called an indicator which serves that purpose quite well.

Norman_Castle wrote: »

Why keep to the left or right of a single lane? On a motorcycle or bicycle this could indicate intentions but in a car there's no reason not to use the full width of the lane. Being passed in the same lane is filtering which isn't intended for cars.

If you are going straight on at a roundabout you will not be indicating until after passing the first exit however if you have positioned your car towards the left of you art suggesting to those behind you your intentions even before indicating.

if you position your car towards the right you are however suggesting that you intend to go right but have forgotten to indicate.

jimbo6977

The best solution is to buy a RWD car, appoach all rounbabouts sideways, and perform many laps before taking any exit you fancy.

Kim_kim

martinthebandit wrote: »

When taking an exit to the right or going full circle (unless signs or markings indicate otherwise):
Signal right and approach the exit in the right hand lane
Keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to reach your exit
Signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you intend to take

https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/changes-and-answers/-highway-code-for-roundabouts

It's not rocket science

That is great for a simple roundabout. There is one I use in Crawley, it had 5 roads off it & 3 lines in each road joining it.
Lane one for exit 1.
Land 3 for exit 4 or right around I suppose.
Is it lane 2 for exits 2 & 3?

It’s the round about near Tesco three bridges, it’s huge. Has a flyover over it.

prowla

Supersonos wrote: »

For the purposes of transparency, here's the roundabout:

https://goo.gl/maps/WZFSV5kF684y2La86

Looks 1 lane to me!

reeac

EssexExile wrote: »

Why do people find roundabouts so difficult? Drive sensibly, follow the rules, obey road markings, assume everyone else is doing done of these, proceed with caution.

I've said this more than once on this forum already: many roundabouts have defective or inadequate signage. It may be painted on the road and therefore obscured by heavy traffic or it may change from displaying distant destinations on one roundabout to only local trading estates on the next. This is fine for those who use the road everyday and there are always roundabout complaints from such people on this forum but for first time visitors it's more difficult and it's only polite to make concessions for such problems.

unholyangel

reeac wrote: »

I've said this more than once on this forum already: many roundabouts have defective or inadequate signage. It may be painted on the road and therefore obscured by heavy traffic or it may change from displaying distant destinations on one roundabout to only local trading estates on the next. This is fine for those who use the road everyday and there are always roundabout complaints from such people on this forum but for first time visitors it's more difficult and it's only polite to make concessions for such problems.

There must be an awful lot of first time visitors each day.....

There's always a common sense approach of going in the right lane and continuing right around the roundabout to give you a better idea of which lane you should be in. Or (as I said in a earlier post) taking the exit for the lane you chose then finding a quiet place to turn around.

The issue is (imo) that most people treat taking the right exit from a roundabout as a once in a lifetime opportunity thats never going to come around again.

Theres a roundabout I know of that a town is signposted on 2 exits with 2 different road numbers. People always end up in the wrong lane and its locally known as suicide circle because it causes so many accidents. Now you might think its the confusing signage that causes the accidents. Personally I think its the people on the inside (i would say right lane but its actually the wrong lane!) not checking whats in the left lane before they move over.

reeac

unholyangel wrote: »

There must be an awful lot of first time visitors each day.....

There's always a common sense approach of going in the right lane and continuing right around the roundabout to give you a better idea of which lane you should be in. Or (as I said in a earlier post) taking the exit for the lane you chose then finding a quiet place to turn around.

The issue is (imo) that most people treat taking the right exit from a roundabout as a once in a lifetime opportunity thats never going to come around again.

Theres a roundabout I know of that a town is signposted on 2 exits with 2 different road numbers. People always end up in the wrong lane and its locally known as suicide circle because it causes so many accidents. Now you might think its the confusing signage that causes the accidents. Personally I think its the people on the inside (i would say right lane but its actually the wrong lane!) not checking whats in the left lane before they move over.

It's well established that accidents - not just road but workplace and domestic-are often caused by the coincidence of two unusual and potentially hazardous events. In the above case it's confusing signage plus the occasional driver who for some reason (blind spot?) is unaware of the presence of another car. The term "suicide circle" probably means less than one accident per day, maybe only one per week or month but if there's an accident black spot there's always an underlying reason which is frequently poor visibility or in the above case confusing signage.

unholyangel

reeac wrote: »

It's well established that accidents - not just road but workplace and domestic-are often caused by the coincidence of two unusual and potentially hazardous events. In the above case it's confusing signage plus the occasional driver who for some reason (blind spot?) is unaware of the presence of another car. The term "suicide circle" probably means less than one accident per day, maybe only one per week or month but if there's an accident black spot there's always an underlying reason which is frequently poor visibility or in the above case confusing signage.

When you are found at fault, it is because you are negligent. If you are not negligent then you are not at fault.

If the signage was confusing, then how do thousands of people manage to navigate it safely each day? The sign did not force them to fail and give way to traffic already in the left lane - that was an action entirely of their own volition.

I think you're giving some drivers far more credit than they deserve.

reeac

[QUOTE=unholyangel;76233023
If the signage was confusing, then how do thousands of people manage to navigate it safely each day? The sign did not force them to fail and give way to traffic already in the left lane - that was an action entirely of their own volition.

I think you're giving some drivers far more credit than they deserve.[/QUOTE]

I've already said that it often (not alway) requires the combination of two (or more) events. Thousands of people negotiate safely because they know the road or the traffic is sparse or they look where they're going. It makes good sense to me that if a junction or other road feature becomes an accident black spot then the sensible approach is to modify it. If you observe a feature such as a roundabout for a few minutes then you will see that it's a miracle that the collision rate isn't ten times as high as it actually is ....safe driving requires a high degree of skill in a crowded country and furthermore modern living is based on the assumption that the vast majority of the population will have that level of skill. It's a "big ask". Incidentally I've been driving for 62years, mainly in the uk but also abroad for 3 years and I've never been caught speeding and had one minor collision in 1959 so I'm not defending the dangerous driver.

unholyangel

The signage contributes to them being in the wrong lane. It does not contribute to the accidents because that happens entirely due to the driver moving over without checking its safe to do so.

Apply the but for test and the causation is the drivers actions, not the signage.