I got assualted in Tesco!

m.colak

So far in this thread we have covered several infringes of civil libaties and human rights from the assault on a customer, false imprisionment and also the use of CCTV's. However i don't think many people are aware of a new infridgement which has been recently added to TESCO store's (at the moment from what i've read it's only the cambridge store but yours might be yours too). I'm talking about RFID. By these means the shop is able to tag certain products and follow their progress around the store picking up patterns in shopping trends or how the public utilise the shop also to follow the product from shelf to door. The wonderful thing is not many people are aware of this or aware that shops whom use this (like TESCO) are by law oblidged by law to state or tell customers that they utilise the system. The problem is there is still no legistration preventing shops from using this technology and therefore gaining information about you and your shopping habits for free before selling it on.

Next time you go into a supermarket or store as if they use this process as they are legally oblidged to tell you and if they do immediate report them as they are carrying out illegal surveillance without information ie (CCTV is in operation in this store).

Matt:mad:

stugib

pinkshoes wrote: »

I think they maybe enjoy making a mountain out of a molehill!!! :rotfl:

LOL, hadn't realised it was the "I bought these fake-branded shoes for £3 (really!) and I want my money back because they didn't last for more than two months" person!

superscaper

m.colak wrote: »

So far in this thread we have covered several infringes of civil libaties and human rights from the assault on a customer, false imprisionment and also the use of CCTV's. However i don't think many people are aware of a new infridgement which has been recently added to TESCO store's (at the moment from what i've read it's only the cambridge store but yours might be yours too). I'm talking about RFID. By these means the shop is able to tag certain products and follow their progress around the store picking up patterns in shopping trends or how the public utilise the shop also to follow the product from shelf to door. The wonderful thing is not many people are aware of this or aware that shops whom use this (like TESCO) are by law oblidged by law to state or tell customers that they utilise the system. The problem is there is still no legistration preventing shops from using this technology and therefore gaining information about you and your shopping habits for free before selling it on.

Next time you go into a supermarket or store as if they use this process as they are legally oblidged to tell you and if they do immediate report them as they are carrying out illegal surveillance without information ie (CCTV is in operation in this store).

Matt:mad:

Nothing wrong with RFID. Just depends on how it's used. The major function of RFID is a better replacement for barcodes, no need for line of sight scanning. Also the products can be uniquely identified, there are benefits to this, such as alerting the store if they're out of date etc. And in the future, home scanning, such as your fridge knowing when you've run out of something etc. But in terms of "following where you are in store" that'd require an awful lot of scanning equipment set up to geolocate and I doubt we'll see anything like that rolled out on a large scale for a long time to come. And technically since it is still their product until you pay for it, is there any reason they can't track the movements of their products up to the till? As for using the information associated with you and gathering it, they still have to adhere to the Data Protection Act and cannot sell any information identifiable to you without your consent.

mpython

Matt

Can you clarify your post? You say there's no legislation preventing shops from using RFID tags but that they have to tell customers they are using RFID. Can you point me to the law(s) you are referring to. Also, what the human rights issue is for us because stores want to know where goods are moving around the store before they've been bought?

m.colak

superscaper wrote: »

Nothing wrong with RFID. Just depends on how it's used. The major function of RFID is a better replacement for barcodes, no need for line of sight scanning. Also the products can be uniquely identified, there are benefits to this, such as alerting the store if they're out of date etc. And in the future, home scanning, such as your fridge knowing when you've run out of something etc. But in terms of "following where you are in store" that'd require an awful lot of scanning equipment set up to geolocate and I doubt we'll see anything like that rolled out on a large scale for a long time to come. And technically since it is still their product until you pay for it, is there any reason they can't track the movements of their products up to the till? As for using the information associated with you and gathering it, they still have to adhere to the Data Protection Act and cannot sell any information identifiable to you without your consent.

That is the whole point there are no regulations preventing them using this information gathered in this way and they are supposed to display if they use it. The information isn't identifiable directly to yourself and therefore is not required to be identified.

'I surveyed 100 people but didn't take there names' It's the tracking and monitoring part which is illegal.

http://www.informationoverlord.co.uk/Articles/RFID.pdf

superscaper

m.colak wrote: »

That is the whole point there are no regulations preventing them using this information gathered in this way and they are supposed to display if they use it. The information isn't identifiable directly to yourself and therefore is not required to be identified.

'I surveyed 100 people but didn't take there names' It's the tracking and monitoring part which is illegal.

Well if it's just general trends and statistics and not identifiable to me then I don't really see a problem and I'm not sure what is illegal about it. Which law are you quoting?

I'll declare now that I'm biased for RFID because I did some research into development of organic/plastic RFID. Before anyone accuses me of having a hidden agenda by defending RFID.

m.colak

Did you continue to read about it in the last year or so??? This is what they are looking to put into identity cards, driving licenses etc. Sounding familiar now. Products......

Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000

Authorisation of surveillance and human intelligence sources

27 Lawful surveillance etc

(1) Conduct to which this Part applies shall be lawful for all purposes if—
(a) an authorisation under this Part confers an entitlement to engage in that conduct on the person whose conduct it is; and
(b) his conduct is in accordance with the authorisation.
(2) A person shall not be subject to any civil liability in respect of any conduct of his which—
(a) is incidental to any conduct that is lawful by virtue of subsection (1); and
(b) is not itself conduct an authorisation or warrant for which is capable of being granted under a relevant enactment and might reasonably have been expected to have been sought in the case in question.
(3) The conduct that may be authorised under this Part includes conduct outside the United Kingdom.
(4) In this section “relevant enactment” means—
(a) an enactment contained in this Act;
(b) section 5 of the [1994 c. 13.] Intelligence Services Act 1994 (warrants for the intelligence services); or
(c) an enactment contained in Part III of the [1997 c. 50.] Police Act 1997 (powers of the police and of customs officers).

superscaper

m.colak wrote: »

Did you continue to read about it in the last year or so??? This is what they are looking to put into identity cards, driving licenses etc. Sounding familiar now. Products......

When it's done well it works really well and has lots of benefits to everyone. When it's done badly it goes really wrong. I understand that. Like the new passports that have it and are really unsecure because they use easy passwords (the equivalent of having a huge steel unbreakable door but leaving the key next to the doorstep). So people can scan your passport details from a distance. Good technology poorly implemented. As has been recently demonstrated Government competence is what I'm worried about. I agree there need to be legal safeguards to protect our personal data with the emerging technologies but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the technologies themselves. It seems like anything, the more features and benefits some new technology has, then the bigger benefits it also offers to those that would abuse it. But personally I don't think that should outweigh having that technology altogether. It helps by having people like you to ensure they're kept in line, whereas geeks like me may be a bit blinded by purely the technical aspect.

superscaper

m.colak wrote: »

Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000

Have to say I hate that Act, in particular part III that requires us to hand over our encryption keys if requested and our encrypted data essentially makes us guilty until proven innocent.

pinkshoes

m.colak, maybe you should start a new vent on RFID...

(i have worked on them too, in the supermarket context...)