Remoaners Revenge...

Fran_Klee

Takedap wrote: »

Looks like we'll soon see if the membership fee was worth it.


I think it'll turn out that it probably was. If I'm wrong, we get a bit better off. If I'm right we get a lot worse off. But it's interesting that no-one is talking of Brexit bonuses any more, just damage limitation.

Are you not living in the UK & have you not been paying attention to what our new government are promising then?
There's lots of positivity there, though I do understand that you (like so many remainers) struggle with positivity of any kind.

ALREADY things are moving to recruit 20,000 new police. :T
That alone is a bonus as far as I'm concerned.

If even some of the other things promised come to fruition (Brexit by Oct31; new trans-Pennine railway etc. ) there will be a hell of a lot of happy voters ready to frustrate the tired lefties and anti-Brexit clingers-on at the next election.

Fran_Klee

Ballard wrote: »

I’m pretty sure that JRM said that we would see the financial benefit in time but that’s maybe 50 years away. 2069 will be a good year for me. Not only will we see things improve financially but I’ll get my telegram from the monarch.

Again?
This rubbish has been around here a few times these past weeks; remainers must be getting desperate when they tell the same thing time after time in vain hope that someone believes them.
:rotfl:

No, JRM didn't say that.
He said that we would see ongoing benefit over the next 50 years.

Sapphire

Isn't the German economy – and the economies of several smaller European countries that have the euro – in a pretty dire state, and getting worse? I would not like us to still be members when it collapses (with prospective bailouts of the eurozone, etc.).

I also want our sovereignty restored before it is eroded any further. British voters were never asked by Bliar and co. whether we actually wanted to be part of an undemocratic European political federation, run by distant, unknown and untrusted bureaucrats, with the power principally vested in Germany and perhaps France. Nor have the people who arrogantly signed 'treaties' on our behalf ever explained why it should be desirable for Britain to be a part of such a political creation.

Signing treaties with foreign entities on such an important matter was surely illegal – the politicians who took these actions did not have the mandate to do so from the British people.

Takedap

Fran_Klee wrote: »

Are you not living in the UK & have you not been paying attention to what our new government are promising then?
There's lots of positivity there, though I do understand that you (like so many remainers) struggle with positivity of any kind.

ALREADY things are moving to recruit 20,000 new police. :T
That alone is a bonus as far as I'm concerned.

If even some of the other things promised come to fruition (Brexit by Oct31; new trans-Pennine railway etc. ) there will be a hell of a lot of happy voters ready to frustrate the tired lefties and anti-Brexit clingers-on at the next election.

I've seen BoJo promising to undo the cuts taken by the Tory Government that has been in power for the last 9 years. I suppose that's sort of a positive move? The magic money tree must be bearing fruit.

BobQ

I am now resigned to the fact that we are leaving. I still cannot get it out of my head that this is (a) unnecessary (b) not in our best economic interests (c) diminishing our nation and about to destroy the Union and (d) not going to address the problems of the disaffected who voted for it.

My solution is simple, I have now got my Irish passport and if the exit does come to pass, I will be looking for a house near Dublin.

triathlon

Fran_Klee wrote: »

Are you not living in the UK & have you not been paying attention to what our new government are promising then?
There's lots of positivity there, though I do understand that you (like so many remainers) struggle with positivity of any kind.

ALREADY things are moving to recruit 20,000 new police. :T
That alone is a bonus as far as I'm concerned.

If even some of the other things promised come to fruition (Brexit by Oct31; new trans-Pennine railway etc. ) there will be a hell of a lot of happy voters ready to frustrate the tired lefties and anti-Brexit clingers-on at the next election.

20,000 new police when the UK cannot afford to keep a one public loo open, can you not see through your rose tinted specs. 20,000 new police is still going to be way short of what will be needed to control the civil unrest coming our way.

I was doing a few sums over the last few days trying to workout if I totally sold up in the next few years because of the chaos Brexit will cause, how many jobs will I alone be taking out of the system. Putting all the money I pay out yearly into one pot for all the dozens of services I pay, banks, letting agents, goods and repairs, insurance etc etc, it's endless, it will work out roughly 3 average pay jobs lost for good.

I am only a small business, you start multiplying that by 100,000's, this country is going to be in a mess, for what?
I really do not want to retire yet, not at all if truth be told. But I already have enough wealth to see me out comfortably. I am just going to watch this impending disaster from 1000's of miles away from the comfort of my lakeside home and laugh, and I dare say there will be many more joining me.

Fran_Klee

Sapphire wrote: »

Isn't the German economy – and the economies of smaller European countries – in a pretty dire state, and getting worse? I would not like us to be members when it collapses (with prospective bailouts of the eurozone, etc.).

Yes, the Eurozone has again had to cut it's growth forecast.
We won't mention Italy either. Or future budget problems. or gas and oil problems, with both Turkis and Russian involvement there.

Ballard

Fran_Klee wrote: »

Again?
This rubbish has been around here a few times these past weeks; remainers must be getting desperate when they tell the same thing time after time in vain hope that someone believes them.
:rotfl:

No, JRM didn't say that.
He said that we would see ongoing benefit over the next 50 years.

I’m not desperate in the slightest. People in the Brexit party have said that they think that it’ll be decades before we see any financial benefit from leaving (there was a Brexit party candidate interviewed on Radio Five who said 30 years but it’ll be worth it). I can cope with that as I’m financially secure.

My personal evidence of leave voters is that they’re expecting trade deals within months and that the country will immediately be better off. I hope that I’m wrong but neither of those things look Even vaguely likely to me.

Desperation would seem to me to be claiming that additional police jobs is a Brexit dividend of some sort when numbers have been slashed by the Tories and these additional numbers may well not get us back to where we were (I don’t have numbers to hand so accept that this is a fairly vague statement).

Fran_Klee

triathlon wrote: »

20,000 new police when the UK cannot afford to keep a one public loo open, can you not see through your rose tinted specs. 20,000 new police is still going to be way short of what will be needed to control the civil unrest coming our way.

I was doing a few sums over the last few days trying to workout if I totally sold up in the next few years because of the chaos Brexit will cause, how many jobs will I alone be taking out of the system. Putting all the money I pay out yearly into one pot for all the dozens of services I pay, banks, letting agents, goods and repairs, insurance etc etc, it's endless, it will work out roughly 3 average pay jobs lost for good.

I am only a small business, you start multiplying that by 100,000's, this country is going to be in a mess, for what?
I really do not want to retire yet, not at all if truth be told. But I already have enough wealth to see me out comfortably. I am just going to watch this impending disaster from 1000's of miles away from the comfort of my lakeside home and laugh, and I dare say there will be many more joining me.

I wish I could see the look on your face as you realise that leaving the EU turns out to be a real benefit to Britain, which prospers way beyond the expectations of the detractors.

Not every small businessperson is full of gloom and doom.
Not even most.
And yes, I am in a position to know.
I see the germination of new growth all around me daily and - bluntly - the sort of despair which you try and engender is quite foreign to by far the majority of people actively planning their future.
Perhaps that's what the EU does to entrepeneurial spirit; it erodes it.

You enjoy your lakeside, 1000's of miles away - all the time missing so many things which are part of Britain.
I have lived far away on a different continent; two to be exact.
But the difference between you and me I suppose is that I see a bright future for our country, and I work towards that goal.
More than that, I assist multiple others to work towards similar goals such that I am assured that a great future awaits.

Fran_Klee

Ballard wrote: »

I’m not desperate in the slightest. People in the Brexit party have said that they think that it’ll be decades before we see any financial benefit from leaving (there was a Brexit party candidate interviewed on Radio Five who said 30 years but it’ll be worth it). I can cope with that as I’m financially secure.

My personal evidence of leave voters is that they’re expecting trade deals within months and that the country will immediately be better off. I hope that I’m wrong but neither of those things look Even vaguely likely to me.

Desperation would seem to me to be claiming that additional police jobs is a Brexit dividend of some sort when numbers have been slashed by the Tories and these additional numbers may well not get us back to where we were (I don’t have numbers to hand so accept that this is a fairly vague statement).

Rather than rely upon hearsay and/or obviously biased opinions, are you prepared to take a broader view and look beyond the usual for sources upon which to form your opinion?

If you are, you might enjoy this brief piece.
https://www.coutts.com/insight-articles/news/2019/is-britains-post-brexit-future-bright.html

The "movers and shakers" of the future see a steady or even bright future ahead for Britain.
Since these are the people who will have a far greater input to events, I'm far more inclined to believe them than either biased media sources or faceless internet warriors.
Are you?