Remoaners Revenge...

Ballard

Fran_Klee wrote: »

Rather than rely upon hearsay and/or obviously biased opinions, are you prepared to take a broader view and look beyond the usual for sources upon which to form your opinion?

If you are, you might enjoy this brief piece.
https://www.coutts.com/insight-articles/news/2019/is-britains-post-brexit-future-bright.html

The "movers and shakers" of the future see a steady or even bright future ahead for Britain.
Since these are the people who will have a far greater input to events, I'm far more inclined to believe them than either biased media sources or faceless internet warriors.
Are you?

I wouldn’t say that a Brexit Party candidate who was obviously very much in favour of us leaving should be classed as hearsay but each to their own. If I had the inclination I would search for the audio clip so that you could hear for yourself but based on your posts you’d consider it biased anyway.

Crashy_Time

BobQ wrote: »

I am now resigned to the fact that we are leaving. I still cannot get it out of my head that this is (a) unnecessary (b) not in our best economic interests (c) diminishing our nation and about to destroy the Union and (d) not going to address the problems of the disaffected who voted for it.

My solution is simple, I have now got my Irish passport and if the exit does come to pass, I will be looking for a house near Dublin.

That would be more than half the people who voted, they can`t all be "disaffected"? But yes, it is healthier to accept that we have to leave.

triathlon

Fran_Klee wrote: »

Rather than rely upon hearsay and/or obviously biased opinions, are you prepared to take a broader view and look beyond the usual for sources upon which to form your opinion?

If you are, you might enjoy this brief piece.
https://www.coutts.com/insight-articles/news/2019/is-britains-post-brexit-future-bright.html

The "movers and shakers" of the future see a steady or even bright future ahead for Britain.
Since these are the people who will have a far greater input to events, I'm far more inclined to believe them than either biased media sources or faceless internet warriors.
Are you?

The major difference between people like me and the vast majority of Remainers who live in the business world and who on the whole know the nightmare that is coming our way with Brexit and people like you who no doubt have an unskilled job or worse and live in rental or social housing is we know how things work.

If Boris does what it now appears he will do I will sell up and
1. put people on the street
2. take away real jobs from people

And there are 100'000's who are not living in a fantasy world like you and who are investing real money and wealth in the economy who are going to take it all away.

I suppose people like you have Trump to count on

Rinoa

BobQ wrote: »

My solution is simple, I have now got my Irish passport and if the exit does come to pass, I will be looking for a house near Dublin.

Don't buy too soon.

Dublin houses will be very cheap in a few months time.

borntobefree

BobQ wrote: »

I am now resigned to the fact that we are leaving. I still cannot get it out of my head that this is (a) unnecessary (b) not in our best economic interests (c) diminishing our nation and about to destroy the Union and (d) not going to address the problems of the disaffected who voted for it.

My solution is simple, I have now got my Irish passport and if the exit does come to pass, I will be looking for a house near Dublin.

You don’t need an Irish passport to live in Ireland. There is FoM between Ireland and UK since 1922 known as The Common Travel Area.

Takedap

Fran_Klee wrote: »

I wish I could see the look on your face as you realise that leaving the EU turns out to be a real benefit to Britain, which prospers way beyond the expectations of the detractors.

Not every small businessperson is full of gloom and doom.
Not even most.
And yes, I am in a position to know.
I see the germination of new growth all around me daily and - bluntly - the sort of despair which you try and engender is quite foreign to by far the majority of people actively planning their future.
Perhaps that's what the EU does to entrepeneurial spirit; it erodes it.

You enjoy your lakeside, 1000's of miles away - all the time missing so many things which are part of Britain.
I have lived far away on a different continent; two to be exact.
But the difference between you and me I suppose is that I see a bright future for our country, and I work towards that goal.
More than that, I assist multiple others to work towards similar goals such that I am assured that a great future awaits.

More rhetoric without a single mention of how any of this is going to be achieved.


Another "Close your eyes & take the great step forwards" speech.


I too hope that you're right. The consequences of you being wrong may be huge.

Takedap

Fran_Klee wrote: »

Rather than rely upon hearsay and/or obviously biased opinions, are you prepared to take a broader view and look beyond the usual for sources upon which to form your opinion?

If you are, you might enjoy this brief piece.
https://www.coutts.com/insight-articles/news/2019/is-britains-post-brexit-future-bright.html

The "movers and shakers" of the future see a steady or even bright future ahead for Britain.
Since these are the people who will have a far greater input to events, I'm far more inclined to believe them than either biased media sources or faceless internet warriors.
Are you?

Are we reading the same article?


The one that says...
“Brexit closes down our options,” he said. “At the moment, we have the right to live, work and love in 31 countries across Europe – that is the future that we have as an EU member. And we lose that. We put a ceiling on the actual economic futures of our young people by this Brexit thing.
“That is not a bright future for the country.”


or



Stella Creasy, Labour MP for Walthamstow, came to the event straight from a Brexit debate in the House of Commons. She also argued that Britain’s future would not be bright after the UK-EU split.
She said, “When we look at the basics of what people doing business in our country actually need, then absolutely we can see that Brexit creates challenges rather than solves them.
“We haven’t even left the European Union yet and we already have lower GDP – 2.3% of GDP growth gone, around £47 billion a year of activity. What does that also mean? It means less in our tax take too – so less money to invest in the public services that keep our economy running.”
She also warned of more red tape.
“It is estimated there are 240,000 UK businesses that only trade with the EU that would now have to interact with the customs base in this country – and all that paperwork – for the first time,” she said.


or even


Following the debate, which was chaired by The Guardian’s Jonathan Freedland and held at Coutts’ London headquarters on Wednesday (20 March), the audience of more than 200 people were asked to vote.
The result of that poll was almost as tight as the referendum itself, with 51% saying they thought Britain’s future was bright after Brexit and 47% saying it wasn’t – 2% were undecided.


It's hardly a glowing recommendation is it? If that's the best you can link to, matbe you should be thinking again.

silverwhistle

spadoosh wrote: »

Hardened brexiteer here.

Yes, I could tell from the spelling and punctuation, let alone the argument.

Zuzel

Takedap wrote: »

Are we reading the same article?

Maybe read the whole thing instead of pulling very selective quotes to suit your obvious agenda?
Go on, try it.
It looks like a fairly balanced (if a little short) debate IMHO but the summary is this:

Following the debate, which was chaired by The Guardian’s Jonathan Freedland and held at Coutts’ London headquarters on Wednesday (20 March), the audience of more than 200 people were asked to vote.

The result of that poll was almost as tight as the referendum itself, with 51% saying they thought Britain’s future was bright after Brexit and 47% saying it wasn’t – 2% were undecided.

This was from March 20th.
Do you think sentiment will have changed since then?

Zuzel

Arklight wrote: »

I think the benefits of Brexit have really been undersold.

For the first time in our nation's history, ignorant, foolish, right wing, selfish, xenophobic, and racist people finally have a single banner under which they can all unite.

Previously they were all split across things like fox hunting, gay marriage, single mothers, immigration, and abortion.

But now they have Brexit, and it's brought them all together. Like a happy family.

It's really good to see that you're learning that insulting over half the population in one go works so well in helping you achieve your aim.
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