It's time to start digging up those Squirrelled Nuts!!!!

Thrugelmir

JoeEngland said:

PennyForThem_2 said:

I think June is optomistic. If the lockdown is released then Corvid-19 cases could rise.  It may be eased slightly but I think we are going to have to live with it until there is an effective  widely available and reliable test as to whether you have 'had' it so that you have some immunity.  The when an effective vaccination and vulnerable have been vaccinated maybe life will get back to normal.
So Christmas?

I don't see how the current lockdown could go on till Christmas without economic and social collapse no matter how much the government tries to pump into the economy. There will be difficult decisions to be made at some point in the next couple of months. One thing we have to consider is that tanking the economy will lead to unnecessary deaths in the future.

Which is why the same old record gets played over and over. It's within our own hands to control the spread and tame the virus. Still people talk about their personal rights and ignore basic instructions. 
In Belarus the advice is to work in the countryside, drink voka and go to the sauna. 

JoeEngland

Ganga said:

JoeEngland said:

PennyForThem_2 said:

I think June is optomistic. If the lockdown is released then Corvid-19 cases could rise.  It may be eased slightly but I think we are going to have to live with it until there is an effective  widely available and reliable test as to whether you have 'had' it so that you have some immunity.  The when an effective vaccination and vulnerable have been vaccinated maybe life will get back to normal.
So Christmas?

I don't see how the current lockdown could go on till Christmas without economic and social collapse no matter how much the government tries to pump into the economy. There will be difficult decisions to be made at some point in the next couple of months. One thing we have to consider is that tanking the economy will lead to unnecessary deaths in the future.

But which do you prioritise , wealth or life ,i really hope they come up with a vaccine before the numbers get too high

I also hope that there's a vaccine soon, but to answer your question our society usually priorities business and life as usual because thousands die from flu every year and we don't go into lockdown for it. The reality is that there will have been thousands of unnecessary flu deaths over the years as a result. Of course, the trade off is that lockdown causes economic damage which will lead to early deaths in the future but they won't be visible in the same way that Covid-19 ones are. Our cognitive biases blind us to the bigger picture and being honest about what level of death we can accept to live as normal. The current situation isn't helped by the incompetence of governments who haven't made reasonable provision for a pandemic which was inevitable, the only question was when.

Sea_Shell

I could say where my imagination takes me...but I don't want to get banned!!

Within the rules, I think most people still want to keep some "control" over their lives.

I didn't run today, mainly because it should be even quieter tomorrow, so have postponed.    I hardly see a soul at the best of times.   Would I still run if I were in a town/city... probably not.

Thrugelmir

JoeEngland said:

Ganga said:

JoeEngland said:

PennyForThem_2 said:

I think June is optomistic. If the lockdown is released then Corvid-19 cases could rise.  It may be eased slightly but I think we are going to have to live with it until there is an effective  widely available and reliable test as to whether you have 'had' it so that you have some immunity.  The when an effective vaccination and vulnerable have been vaccinated maybe life will get back to normal.
So Christmas?

I don't see how the current lockdown could go on till Christmas without economic and social collapse no matter how much the government tries to pump into the economy. There will be difficult decisions to be made at some point in the next couple of months. One thing we have to consider is that tanking the economy will lead to unnecessary deaths in the future.

But which do you prioritise , wealth or life ,i really hope they come up with a vaccine before the numbers get too high

I also hope that there's a vaccine soon, but to answer your question our society usually priorities business and life as usual because thousands die from flu every year and we don't go into lockdown for it. 

Because there's a jab available annually that all the health sector receive. Death from flu is the result of the body trying to heal itself. Hence why many deaths are the result of an existing underlying health condition. As a society we've become complacent as what goes on behind the scenes to protect us. These measures allow us to enjoy the standard of life we do compared to previous generations. 

tigerspill

atush said:

Have done, in any case many companies didnt cover it before

You also need to cross check any travel advisories on the date in question as they are time lagged when things change

Most actually did cover this event under the FCO restrictions.  Problem is now it is known and have changes their policies since 18th March.  Some a few days before.

JoeEngland

Thrugelmir said:

JoeEngland said:

Ganga said:

JoeEngland said:

PennyForThem_2 said:

I think June is optomistic. If the lockdown is released then Corvid-19 cases could rise.  It may be eased slightly but I think we are going to have to live with it until there is an effective  widely available and reliable test as to whether you have 'had' it so that you have some immunity.  The when an effective vaccination and vulnerable have been vaccinated maybe life will get back to normal.
So Christmas?

I don't see how the current lockdown could go on till Christmas without economic and social collapse no matter how much the government tries to pump into the economy. There will be difficult decisions to be made at some point in the next couple of months. One thing we have to consider is that tanking the economy will lead to unnecessary deaths in the future.

But which do you prioritise , wealth or life ,i really hope they come up with a vaccine before the numbers get too high

I also hope that there's a vaccine soon, but to answer your question our society usually priorities business and life as usual because thousands die from flu every year and we don't go into lockdown for it. 

Because there's a jab available annually that all the health sector receive. Death from flu is the result of the body trying to heal itself. Hence why many deaths are the result of an existing underlying health condition. As a society we've become complacent as what goes on behind the scenes to protect us. These measures allow us to enjoy the standard of life we do compared to previous generations. 

But the flu vaccine is not 100% effective and so lockdown over the winter months would prevent some deaths by reducing the spread of the flu virus. Obviously we can't go into lockdown for months every year because of the problems that would cause, it just shows that saving life isn't always a priority. Rightly or wrongly we always accept some unnecessary deaths so that life doesn't grind to almost a halt.

Thrugelmir

JoeEngland said:

Thrugelmir said:

JoeEngland said:

Ganga said:

JoeEngland said:

PennyForThem_2 said:

I think June is optomistic. If the lockdown is released then Corvid-19 cases could rise.  It may be eased slightly but I think we are going to have to live with it until there is an effective  widely available and reliable test as to whether you have 'had' it so that you have some immunity.  The when an effective vaccination and vulnerable have been vaccinated maybe life will get back to normal.
So Christmas?

I don't see how the current lockdown could go on till Christmas without economic and social collapse no matter how much the government tries to pump into the economy. There will be difficult decisions to be made at some point in the next couple of months. One thing we have to consider is that tanking the economy will lead to unnecessary deaths in the future.

But which do you prioritise , wealth or life ,i really hope they come up with a vaccine before the numbers get too high

I also hope that there's a vaccine soon, but to answer your question our society usually priorities business and life as usual because thousands die from flu every year and we don't go into lockdown for it. 

Because there's a jab available annually that all the health sector receive. Death from flu is the result of the body trying to heal itself. Hence why many deaths are the result of an existing underlying health condition. As a society we've become complacent as what goes on behind the scenes to protect us. These measures allow us to enjoy the standard of life we do compared to previous generations. 

But the flu vaccine is not 100% effective and so lockdown over the winter months would prevent some deaths by reducing the spread of the flu virus. Obviously we can't go into lockdown for months every year because of the problems that would cause, it just shows that saving life isn't always a priority. Rightly or wrongly we always accept some unnecessary deaths so that life doesn't grind to almost a halt.

50 Doctors so far have died in Italy.  Are you proposing that we should risk the entire Global healthcare system ?

JoeEngland

Thrugelmir said:

JoeEngland said:

Thrugelmir said:

JoeEngland said:

Ganga said:

JoeEngland said:

PennyForThem_2 said:

I think June is optomistic. If the lockdown is released then Corvid-19 cases could rise.  It may be eased slightly but I think we are going to have to live with it until there is an effective  widely available and reliable test as to whether you have 'had' it so that you have some immunity.  The when an effective vaccination and vulnerable have been vaccinated maybe life will get back to normal.
So Christmas?

I don't see how the current lockdown could go on till Christmas without economic and social collapse no matter how much the government tries to pump into the economy. There will be difficult decisions to be made at some point in the next couple of months. One thing we have to consider is that tanking the economy will lead to unnecessary deaths in the future.

But which do you prioritise , wealth or life ,i really hope they come up with a vaccine before the numbers get too high

I also hope that there's a vaccine soon, but to answer your question our society usually priorities business and life as usual because thousands die from flu every year and we don't go into lockdown for it. 

Because there's a jab available annually that all the health sector receive. Death from flu is the result of the body trying to heal itself. Hence why many deaths are the result of an existing underlying health condition. As a society we've become complacent as what goes on behind the scenes to protect us. These measures allow us to enjoy the standard of life we do compared to previous generations. 

But the flu vaccine is not 100% effective and so lockdown over the winter months would prevent some deaths by reducing the spread of the flu virus. Obviously we can't go into lockdown for months every year because of the problems that would cause, it just shows that saving life isn't always a priority. Rightly or wrongly we always accept some unnecessary deaths so that life doesn't grind to almost a halt.

50 Doctors so far have died in Italy.  Are you proposing that we should risk the entire Global healthcare system ?

No, I'm just pointing out we don't always prioritise life. Unfortunately we're between a rock and hard place with Coronavirus.

Sea_Shell

Went for my run this morning, all very quiet.  The few people I saw were mostly on the other side of the street and if not, we organised ourselves to cross over etc.

I also made sure I slowly walked a wide path round blind corners, so as to not just barrel into anyone on the other side.

With so little traffic about, it was also easy to "take to the road" to pass a pedestrian, if needed.


I'm now having wine!!!

atush

Unfortunately, i dont drink on mondays.  It is a teetotal day ;(