Question regarding ethical/religious beliefs and DWP sanctions?

motorguy

Comms69 wrote: »

Stuff

You keep saying - "because religion has no place in either the state or business ", when clearly (wrongly IMHO) it does.

As i pointed out, a lot of our Sunday trading laws have a basis in religion, and our human rights, legal rights and employment rights have inclusion for religion.

You cant just ignore that with a sweeping "religion has no place in either the state or business", because if you do you will fall foul of the law at some point.

motorguy

Comms69 wrote: »

Stuff

Also, you didnt answer what i was getting at earlier..

You've said you would shop elsewhere if someone at a particular till couldnt / wouldnt serve you based on their religious beliefs, and i asked "how would you know?"

So, i'm asking again - how would you know that it was down to someones religious beliefs that they couldnt serve you if there was simply a sign up in Tescos or whatever at a particular till saying "Alchohol cannot be purchased at this till"?

Comms69

motorguy wrote: »

You keep saying - "because religion has no place in either the state or business ", when clearly (wrongly IMHO) it does. -I'm stating a position. Clearly the law disagree with me.

As i pointed out, a lot of our Sunday trading laws have a basis in religion, and our human rights, legal rights and employment rights have inclusion for religion. - I know, it's terrible

You cant just ignore that with a sweeping "religion has no place in either the state or business", because if you do you will fall foul of the law at some point.

You misunderstood. I'm stating a position; a moral standpoint; a desire if you will. I understand how it works now, I think it's tragic

Comms69

motorguy wrote: »

Also, you didnt answer what i was getting at earlier..

You've said you would shop elsewhere if someone at a particular till couldnt / wouldnt serve you based on their religious beliefs, and i asked "how would you know?"

So, i'm asking again - how would you know that it was down to someones religious beliefs that they couldnt serve you if there was simply a sign up in Tescos or whatever at a particular till saying "Alchohol cannot be purchased at this till"?

- I did answer. But actually that was not what I said.


I said that given two shops, with the same pricing structure and being next door to one another. I would choose to shop at the sectarian business.


As for how I would know; I would use my judgment, same as we all do whenever we make any decision. I don't need to have a factual case study in front of me to make simple decisions.

motorguy

Comms69 wrote: »

You misunderstood. I'm stating a position; a moral standpoint; a desire if you will. I understand how it works now, I think it's tragic

Agreed. Wholly agreed.

I live in Northern Ireland where state and religion are deeply intertwined.

Abortion is illegal here, because the political party holding the majority hold the religious belief that it is wrong.

Even playing football on a Sunday has been / is contentious over here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_football_in_Northern_Ireland

People here vote predominantly with the political party that represents their religion, not based on policy.

Oh, and we still shoot each other based on our religious beliefs.

motorguy

Comms69 wrote: »

As for how I would know; I would use my judgment, same as we all do whenever we make any decision. I don't need to have a factual case study in front of me to make simple decisions.

So lets say a younger person was at that particular till, dressed with some element of attire associated with a religion or wearing a religious symbol.

How would you know it was because of their strict religious beliefs or because of their age that they couldnt serve you?

Comms69

motorguy wrote: »

So lets say a younger person was at that particular till, dressed with some element of attire associated with a religion or wearing a religious symbol.

How would you know it was because of their strict religious beliefs or because of their age that they couldnt serve you?

I would ask 'why not'. That would probably give me the answer

KatrinaWaves

And then flounce out if they said their religion prohibited it?

motorguy

Comms69 wrote: »

I would ask 'why not'. That would probably give me the answer

If you would actually do that, fair enough.

You clearly care more about these things than i do.

Though i tend to shop wherever happens to be handiest at any given time rather than try to remember which supermarket offends me the least.

Comms69

motorguy wrote: »

If you would actually do that, fair enough.

You clearly care more about these things than i do.

Though i tend to shop wherever happens to be handiest at any given time rather than try to remember which supermarket offends me the least.

Indeed which I also said. Convenience and price would dictate my consumer choices