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Question regarding ethical/religious beliefs and DWP sanctions?
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KatrinaWaves wrote: »I mean don't get me started on that :rotfl: Many a time have I left myself short of stuff and left it too late on a Sunday! 24 hour opening for all!
You need to move to Scotland. No shopping restrictions on Sunday, but lower alcohol limit when driving. Not sure if the latter is pander to religious demand or not. :rotfl:0 -
Which religion prohibits selling alcohol then?
Oh, and upthread someone said that respecting religion is a human right. It isn’t, people are free to mock religious beliefs, and given what some religions preach it’s pretty close to being a moral obligation to do so.0 -
Seems at least one supermarket does have this policy.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4325558/aldi-praised-for-allowing-muslim-checkout-worker-not-to-sell-alcohol-on-a-till-after-raising-concerns/
Though I recall a tribunal case based on the same premise (circa 20/25 years ago) which the employer won, sorry can't find any links to the case.Originally Posted by shortcrust
"Contact the Ministry of Fairness....If sufficient evidence of unfairness is discovered you’ll get an apology, a permanent contract with backdated benefits, a ‘Let’s Make it Fair!’ tshirt and mug, and those guilty of unfairness will be sent on a Fairness Awareness course."0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jun/20/lloyds-pharmacy-apologises-to-woman-refused-emergency-contraception?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Think this pretty much fits the question hypothesised.
A pharmacist that won’t dispense because of their personal belief.0 -
Neil_Jones wrote: »Strictly speaking they're not "drugs" as in heroin or cocaine, though I appreciate nicotine is heavily addictive and as as good as a drug...
That being said ethics may or may not come into it, if people want to come and buy tobacco from a shop who are you to stop them? If you don't like smoking or being around people who smoke then that's fine but we have the smoking ban so they'd have to go outside anyway. Same with alcohol, again you may not drink the stuff, that's your choice but again who are you to deny a sale? The only real exception to alcohol sales is to let it be sold to somebody who's already drunk.
As far as sanctions go, unless it's been specified as such from the off on the commitment form (if they would allow such a thing to be added at all as it narrows availability for retail work) it may not sail.
Legally, alcohol, tobacco etc are not the same as cocaine/benzos/opioids. However ethically I would say they are equivalent, alcohol is a particularly toxic drug, and I would not sell alcohol for the same reason I would not sell cocaine or heroin, it is an addictive and potentially very harmful substance that I don't want to deal in.
Refusing to sell someone something is not denying them the right to buy it, whereas conversely the dwp sanctioning you would be forcing you to sell it against your ethical beliefs. The government can not credibly on one hand have heroin users beaten by police while sanctioning others for refusing to participate in the exact same trade!0 -
Well given supermarkets sell paracetamol and tea and are both drugs I'm not sure objecting to just certain drugs is a useful starting point.
It is if you have any basic understanding of pharmacology...
See pharmacology vs psychopharmacology.However, in a free(ish) country, you are at liberty to decline work. Your employer then can choose to adapt to your wishes or dispense with your services and find someone else who will do the tasks required of the job..
Which is completely impertinent to the question of dwp sanctions.0 -
Kentish_Dave wrote: »Which religion prohibits selling alcohol then?
Oh, and upthread someone said that respecting religion is a human right. It isn’t, people are free to mock religious beliefs, and given what some religions preach it’s pretty close to being a moral obligation to do so.
The person said respect for religious belief, not respecting of the religious belief.
Theres a difference.
People have the right to religious freedom. We dont have to respect their religious beliefs but we have to respect their right to have those beliefs.
Personally, i wouldnt mock someone's religious beliefs. Thats is frankly disrespectful. I would be happy to debate someone's beliefs with them if they wanted to, but i wouldnt go out of my way to mock them.0 -
Thankfully for me only a hypothetical question currently. But if you have a genuinely held ethical or religious belief against trading in drugs, can you refuse job roles for things like supermarket/bar jobs where your employer would require you to sell drugs like alcohol and tobacco?It is if you have any basic understanding of pharmacology...
See pharmacology vs psychopharmacology.
Which is completely impertinent to the question of dwp sanctions.
It is you who used the words "trading in drugs" and not psychopharmacology.
And neither did your OP ask about DWP sanctions.
Thankfully I do not need your assessment of my pharmacological knowledge.
Good luck with your 'hypothetical' arguments in front of the DWP.Originally Posted by shortcrust
"Contact the Ministry of Fairness....If sufficient evidence of unfairness is discovered you’ll get an apology, a permanent contract with backdated benefits, a ‘Let’s Make it Fair!’ tshirt and mug, and those guilty of unfairness will be sent on a Fairness Awareness course."0 -
Legally, alcohol, tobacco etc are not the same as cocaine/benzos/opioids. However ethically I would say they are equivalent, alcohol is a particularly toxic drug, and I would not sell alcohol for the same reason I would not sell cocaine or heroin, it is an addictive and potentially very harmful substance that I don't want to deal in.
Refusing to sell someone something is not denying them the right to buy it - well it is. If you're suggesting there's other ways to procure your desired item, yes that is true. But if a business offers something for sale and it is then refused; that is the definition of denying them the right to buy it , whereas conversely the dwp sanctioning you would be forcing you to sell it against your ethical beliefs - because religion has no place in either the state or business . The government can not credibly on one hand have heroin users beaten by police while sanctioning others for refusing to participate in the exact same trade!
Can you tell me which area the police routinely beat heroine users? Or is it just a poor analogy?0
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