Mum becoming homeless due to frozen account.

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My recent experience with a family member who sustained a serious spinal injury.

Yes, hospitals do allow patients who are fit enough to go out, in my sister's case to the bank, also to shops and social events to aid rehab.

The OT service can (and did in our case) rule that a previous home is now unfit for a person to return to, so my sister was unable to return to a home she had lived in for 40 years.

My sister was recently discharged and they are insisting on her having 2 carers four times a day, despite her arguing that she doesn't need them,, but she doesn't qualify for NHS continuing healthcare. Nor have we been able to obtain any information from Social Services as to how this is to be funded. (No financial assessment has been carried out).

After lurking on these forums for ages I've joined to post this as I felt that the OP was being challenged on things that I know be factual from my own experience and I wanted to wish her well.

lisyloo

Good luck OP
Amazing that people are questioning whether she’s allowed out of hospital when it actually happened.
Glad you’ve got some useful help from the thread.

cattie

Terry_Towelling wrote: »

Fair points but there are certain elements to the thread that just don't seem to add up. For instance, is it likely that someone in their 70's would actually be in receipt of PIP (which I believe came in in 2013 for those aged between 16 and 64).

Would a hospital really allow an in-patient to be wheeled up to the local bank to open a new bank account?

Yes it's possible. When I was in hospital for a number of weeks, I was allowed home with a nurse in a taxi more than once to put my mind at rest that my cat was being looked after properly. On another occasion I was allowed out unaccompanied to attend the funeral of a close friend.

It probably depends on the hospital & whether they feel that allowing a patient out for a short would be beneficial to their recovery. As the hospital seem to be waiting to discharge the op's mother, they obviously felt that there was no reason for her not to have a short while away from the ward.

elsien

IanManc wrote: »

Staff at an NHS hospital can only lawfully prevent a patient leaving the hospital if the patient has been sectioned/detained under the Mental Health Act.

It isn't a question of allowing, it is a matter of being unable to prevent. The patient doesn't need permission. A patient isn't a prisoner.

Unless the patient lacks capacity to agree to be there and there is a DoLS authorisation in place.

Terry_Towelling

lisyloo wrote: »

Amazing that people are questioning whether she’s allowed out of hospital when it actually happened.

Despite the phrasing of the question, it isn't really about whether you can be let out of hospital to go to town (when it's actually happened) the question is, did it really happen? If you scrutinise all of OPs posts in the context of the questions asked by all contributors you will spot the inconsistencies and evasions.

lisyloo

If you think they are lying (why no earth would someone do that??) then you don't have to read/contribute.
Awful that they have to face your accusations when they are dealing with a terrible situation. They've explained several times.

Ben8282

I am questioning it not because I believe it to be impossible for an in-patient to be allowed out of hospital, although I know the hospital wouldn't like it and would discharge all responsibility for the patient's welfare, but because of the alleged condition of the patient. The patient is apparently immobile and on discharge will require two carers to come to the new flat four times a day to hoist her. Yet we are supposed to believe that, with the assistance of a helpful taxi driver, she was taken off in a taxi in a wheelchair to the bank for the purpose of opening a new account for herself and transferring her share of the money out of the joint account, thereby causing it to be blocked.

lisyloo wrote: »

Amazing that people are questioning whether she’s allowed out of hospital when it actually happened.

Unless you were there you have no more idea of if it actually happened than I do.

Terry_Towelling

lisyloo wrote: »

If you think they are lying (why no earth would someone do that??) then you don't have to read/contribute.
Awful that they have to face your accusations when they are dealing with a terrible situation. They've explained several times.

I hear what you say; why on earth would someone lie about a situation like this? It beggars belief, doesn't it?

'Fake' thread originators don't have to 'face' any accusations (I'm talking generally now) - they hide behind a comedy pseudonym, a tabloid-style headline and spin tangled webs that eventually unravel and then they disappear to leave us all hanging.

I read and contribute because, having been through something with certain similarities with my father and step-mother (she died in the hospital, he died a bit later) I am disgusted to think that someone might create such an awful scenario for fun!

If you had doubts about a thread, would you keep them to yourself and let the rest of us hang ourselves, or would you try to help us all by airing those doubts? I like to think you'd give us your opinions and tell us why you had doubts.

You are welcome to think badly of me (and tell me so), or that I am a bad person (honestly, I'm not) but please don't deny me the right to air my doubts just because they offend you.

Pugsley_Heckford

For those of you who have posted, particularly those of you who clearly think I am some sort of sick fantasist. You will have noted I have not been on here.
We got a phone call Monday morning to go to the hospital as my dad had deteriorated. He died 20 minutes before I arrived but mums social worker took her from her section of the hospital to dads ward and she was with him when he died. They are allowing mum to remain in the rehab ward where she is and have helped me with reports etc to the local authority near me so I know she will be ok. Thank you for those who have genuinely tried to help.
When I first posted I was desperate for help it is very scary how life can unravel so quickly and become so complicated.
For those of you who have seemed to think this is some sort of “scam”. I would say:
Why on earth would someone do that.
How could anyone even begin to “make up” what’s happened.
And lastly please think about what you say. I have found myself trying to explain and justify things, initially I believed these people (who also use psydonms on line) we’re trying to help. You weren’t. If you don’t believe something don’t post.

To those genuinely helping thank you. I will update the post when mum finally moves out of hospital x

lisyloo

Ben8282 wrote: »

but because of the alleged condition of the patient. The patient is apparently immobile and on discharge will require two carers to come to the new flat four times a day to hoist her. Yet we are supposed to believe that, with the assistance of a helpful taxi driver, she was taken off in a taxi in a wheelchair to the bank for the purpose of opening a new account for herself and transferring her share of the money out of the joint account, thereby causing it to be blocked.
Unless you were there you have no more idea of if it actually happened than I do.

I do have some personal experience yes.
My MIL is in a nursing home and needs assistance of 2 people when doing anything.
But guess what we can take her out in a cab.
How do we deal with the toileting for such a person?
You don’t, you ask the staff to make sure they are well padded and you don’t stay out for a long time so no toileting required.
The taxi drivers have a ramp and they attach the wheelchair on both sides with hooks and a motor pulls the wheelchair up a ramp so they never have to handle the person.

So tell me why you think it’s impossible to take an immobile person out?
Just because you are ignorant of the mechanics doesn’t mean someone else is lying.

I am astonished that people think you can’t get a wheelchair in a van/black cab and also that people think someone is lying.

You don’t have to wash, walk, toilet, dress/undresss (all the things people generally neeed help with) when you go to the bank !!