italian parking fine

CliveOfIndia

elisas said:

jvb1 said:

Hi everyone, The link (disguised a bit as I'm a new member of the forum) at the bottom of this post is quite a long article (deals with parking as well as speeding) but worth looking at as it has some technical info which I have used to challenge CLI. I am not a lawyer so tho' I've looked at this quite carefully, you need to make up your own minds.
I got a spurious parking fine in February 2017 from Florence Polizia Municipale, but the first I knew about it was a 'notice of offence' (Verbale di Accertamento di violazione') in July '17 via regular post.
I didn't reply (the 'Verbale' is not an 'official' fine and can be 'informally' challenged, and one is not obliged to pay it tho' you can if you want a quiet life or are guilty), and heard nothing until CLI contacted me this week, fully 3 years and 2 months after the 'offense'. 
It seems the correct procedure is for the Polizia to follow up with a registered letter (see another post above) within 210 days of the offense (or some Italians think it is 360 days) which is best not ignored (see link). 
I never received this registered letter, and it is only on receipt of that that one can 'formally' appeal. (Not a straightforward process, details on link!) The other (deliberate?) disadvantage of the Italians taking such a long time to send out the official fines (if at all) is that you can't get the benefit of early payment.
I am waiting to hear CLI's response to the fact that no registered mail was received.
By the way CLI are not bailiffs. I was sent the following paraphrased pertinent observation by a bailiff acquaintance:
I do not know CLI but would
recommend writing to them telling that you are not aware of any court
order and therefore it appears to you that they have no authority to
collect an alleged foreign debt unless they can show you under what
statutory power they are entitled to do so.
The point is that IF a registered letter WAS received it is more likely that a court order may have been issued.
I'll let you know when I hear further from CLI.
The link needs the https plus colon plus two forward slashes then: italychronicles.com/speeding-fines-in-italy/

Hello - can you share how this developed? I'm in the same situation now and unsure if I should respond to CLI asking for more details about the fine or ignore, the fine is from August 2020 so over three years ago..

Given that this poster has not returned here since making that (their one and only) post over 3 1/2 years ago, I wouldn't hold your breath for a reply.

BlueonBlue

elisas said:

jvb1 said:

Hi everyone, The link (disguised a bit as I'm a new member of the forum) at the bottom of this post is quite a long article (deals with parking as well as speeding) but worth looking at as it has some technical info which I have used to challenge CLI. I am not a lawyer so tho' I've looked at this quite carefully, you need to make up your own minds.
I got a spurious parking fine in February 2017 from Florence Polizia Municipale, but the first I knew about it was a 'notice of offence' (Verbale di Accertamento di violazione') in July '17 via regular post.
I didn't reply (the 'Verbale' is not an 'official' fine and can be 'informally' challenged, and one is not obliged to pay it tho' you can if you want a quiet life or are guilty), and heard nothing until CLI contacted me this week, fully 3 years and 2 months after the 'offense'. 
It seems the correct procedure is for the Polizia to follow up with a registered letter (see another post above) within 210 days of the offense (or some Italians think it is 360 days) which is best not ignored (see link). 
I never received this registered letter, and it is only on receipt of that that one can 'formally' appeal. (Not a straightforward process, details on link!) The other (deliberate?) disadvantage of the Italians taking such a long time to send out the official fines (if at all) is that you can't get the benefit of early payment.
I am waiting to hear CLI's response to the fact that no registered mail was received.
By the way CLI are not bailiffs. I was sent the following paraphrased pertinent observation by a bailiff acquaintance:
I do not know CLI but would
recommend writing to them telling that you are not aware of any court
order and therefore it appears to you that they have no authority to
collect an alleged foreign debt unless they can show you under what
statutory power they are entitled to do so.
The point is that IF a registered letter WAS received it is more likely that a court order may have been issued.
I'll let you know when I hear further from CLI.
The link needs the https plus colon plus two forward slashes then: italychronicles.com/speeding-fines-in-italy/

Hello - can you share how this developed? I'm in the same situation now and unsure if I should respond to CLI asking for more details about the fine or ignore, the fine is from August 2020 so over three years ago..

Put CLI fine or Italy fine into the search engine and you will find the info you need and you wont be paying a penny .
Do not respond to CLI your dealing with chancers working on bluster so reasoning does not exist as they are only interested in you paying them .

Here is a link to make it easier.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6201576/credit-limits-international-cli-chasing-italian-traffic-fine-from-5-years-ago

Perhaps next time use the private parking sub forum as the knowledge is 100% on point unlike some of the incorrect posts in this thread.
When I say on point..... I mean the private parking sub forum is based on facts and not opinions where in general MSE posts are often opinion based