Will Brexit happen?

Moby

Arklight wrote: »

Can you understand that moving from tariff free trade with our biggest trade partner to WTO terms overnight might be a bit damaging?

None of these countries are attempting to abandon their existing trade networks.

I doubt that you'll get a coherent response from someone advocating criminal trials for remainers.:)

Enterprise_1701C

phillw wrote: »

It's not really a majority view. If you include those who didn't know which to vote & so didn't & those who wanted to vote but couldn't then it's easily a minority view. The UK doesn't like democracy, so we have voting where minorities are able to mess up the country for the rest of us.

You could equally include those that didn't/couldn't vote within those that voted leave.

You make too many assumptions.

andrewf75

Crashy_Time wrote: »

May`s deal was not in the interests of a country that voted to leave the EU. Corbyn just wants the Tories to own Brexit so he can challenge them on domestic issues, the fact that it has dragged on so long with him sitting waiting on the fence has damaged him though.

It was. The country voted narrowly to leave the EU, not to sever all our ties with the rest of the continent. Given the Irish issue, remaining tied to the single market at least until a long-term arrangement is found (which is all the withdrawal deal was) is 100% compatible with the referendum result. At the end of the day had the referendum specified that leave meant specifically a hard Brexit and nothing else, then the result would have gone the other way as you would only need a few % swing..
The country voted to leave, that's it. They didn't vote for any particular form of Brexit.


Agree on Corbyn...

oldernonethewiser

andrewf75 wrote: »

It was. The country voted narrowly to leave the EU, not to sever all our ties with the rest of the continent. Given the Irish issue, remaining tied to the single market at least until a long-term arrangement is found (which is all the withdrawal deal was) is 100% compatible with the referendum result. At the end of the day had the referendum specified that leave meant specifically a hard Brexit and nothing else, then the result would have gone the other way as you would only need a few % swing..
The country voted to leave, that's it. They didn't vote for any particular form of Brexit.


Agree on Corbyn...

The "country" did not vote to leave.

Neither is it the "will of the people" that we leave.



The majority of those who voted chose the "leave" option. Each and every one of them may have had different reasons for wanting to leave but they won the vote.





Invoking Article 50 before agreeing any sort of deal was the daftest thing Parliament could do - but they did it.

Malthusian

Moby wrote: »

I doubt that you'll get a coherent response from someone advocating criminal trials for remainers.:)

What's the issue? Aggravated leading people up the garden path with menaces is now a criminal offence, I thought we were all agreed on that.

Apart from the stupid racist judge who keeps chucking out the Ball v Boris case, of course.

mayonnaise

Trials would be too divisive, whether it's for remainers or leavers.

What we probably will get is a 'Truth and Reconciliation Commission', like in post-apartheid South Africa, where tearful sobbing brexiteers will admit the error of their ways, and magnanimous Remainers will forgive them. And then we can all move on.

andrewf75

oldernonethewiser wrote: »

The "country" did not vote to leave.

Neither is it the "will of the people" that we leave.

The majority of those who voted chose the "leave" option. Each and every one of them may have had different reasons for wanting to leave but they won the vote.

Invoking Article 50 before agreeing any sort of deal was the daftest thing Parliament could do - but they did it.

Fair points, but leave won so we should leave. I have no issue with that - however sad it makes me for the future of the country I love

I think the daftest thing was immediately deciding that only a hard exit was compatible with the result. Had a soft exit been considered, we'd be out by now and most would be OK with it.

oldernonethewiser

andrewf75 wrote: »

Fair points, but leave won so we should leave. I have no issue with that - however sad it makes me for the future of the country I love

I think the daftest thing was immediately deciding that only a hard exit was compatible with the result. Had a soft exit been considered, we'd be out by now and most would be OK with it.

From the moment the referendum was announced everything was messed up.



I am more disappointed that a huge number of the population chose, as they often do, not to vote.


The article 50 vote in the HoC was politicians putting the cart before the horse, however we are where we are.


I believe we will leave although not convinced by the end of Oct. In which case Boris will need to resign won't he?

Moby

mayonnaise wrote: »

Trials would be too divisive, whether it's for remainers or leavers.

What we probably will get is a 'Truth and Reconciliation Commission', like in post-apartheid South Africa, where tearful sobbing brexiteers will admit the error of their ways, and magnanimous Remainers will forgive them. And then we can all move on.

The blame game has started already:-
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/aug/20/brexit-latest-news-boris-johnsons-backstop-offer-to-eu-dismissed-by-labour-as-fantasyland-wish-list-live-news
...a country at ease with itself....yeah right. This will take years and years of hate to work through....by that time we'll have transitioned to a backward little island off the continent regarded in the same way that some of us see Ireland now.

Enterprise_1701C

oldernonethewiser wrote: »

The "country" did not vote to leave.

Neither is it the "will of the people" that we leave.



The majority of those who voted chose the "leave" option. Each and every one of them may have had different reasons for wanting to leave but they won the vote.





Invoking Article 50 before agreeing any sort of deal was the daftest thing Parliament could do - but they did it.

The eu refused to negotiate before Article 50 was triggered.