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POPLA refused my appeal - should I write back?

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  • Coupon-mad
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    Yes please show us their WS and evidence, including the whole 'landowner contract'.

    Are you SURE it's a hearing in person?  Very rare these days.
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  • nuremburger06
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    edited 21 August 2020 at 3:51PM
    Will post the initial WS up later. Just received a supplementary WS from them via email and this covering email.

    “We write in reference to the above matter. 

    We attach, by way of filing, the Claimant’s supplementary witness statement.

    Notice is hereby given pursuant to CPR 27.9 (a) & (b) that our client will not be in attendance at the hearing and wish for the Court to decide the claim in their absence. Please note that our client will be represented by an advocate.

    We have copied in the Defendant by way of service.”



  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 21 August 2020 at 5:02PM
    Easily rebutted with the BPA Article, is it already in your evidence?

    https://www.britishparking.co.uk/ANPR

    As with all new technology, there are issues associated with its use:

    a)    Repeat users of a car park inside a 24 hour period sometimes find that their first entry is paired with their last exit, resulting in an ‘overstay’. Operators are becoming aware of this and should now be checking all ANPR transactions to ensure that this does not occur.

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  • BWL's original WS


  • Landowner contract


  • Umkomaas
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    They cannot unilaterally redact the contract like that. 

    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • nosferatu1001
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    Especially the section about pcn being blanked out
    snd the actual names so you can't confirm if the person signing had the authority to do so 

    have you read the MULTIPLE threads that tell you how to dissect a contract?
  • Fruitcake
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    edited 23 August 2020 at 12:34AM
    With regards to the contract, it fails the requirements of the Companies Act 2006, and therefore is not a valid contract.

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44

    44 Execution of documents

    (1) Under the law of England and Wales or Northern Ireland a document is executed by a company—
    (a) by the affixing of its common seal, or
    (b) by signature in accordance with the following provisions.

    (2) A document is validly executed by a company if it is signed on behalf of the company—
    (a) by two authorised signatories, or
    (b) by a director of the company in the presence of a witness who attests the signature.

    (3) The following are “authorised signatories” for the purposes of subsection (2)—
    (a) every director of the company, and
    (b) in the case of a private company with a secretary or a public company, the secretary (or any joint secretary) of the company.


    The alleged contract has not been executed in accordance with paragraph 1 because it has not been signed by two people from each company nor by a director and witness of each company in accordance with the requirements of paragraph 2, and has not been signed by authorised signatories as defined in paragraph 3.

    In addition, the signatures have been deliberately redacted and therefore you require the scammers to prove they are actually employees of the two companies concerned as there is no indication on the document that they actually work for the two named companies or in what capacity.

    As such the contract is not valid in accordance with the above Act of Parliament, and thus the PCNs are also invalid.
    (Quote the relevant part of the BPA CoP concerning permission to operate and state that the contract failure is also a CoP failure)

    I am quite sure the scammers (company) signatory is A Pettit. According to Companies House records, he has never been a director, nor company secretary, nor someone with significant interest in the company. Consequently he was never in a position to sign a contract in accordance with the said Act quoted above.

    In case number F1DP92KF heard before District Judge Simon Middleton at the Truro County Court on the 3rd of July 2010, the judge stated that, "Claire Williams could not have signed the contract on behalf of the owner because she is not a director of the owner". Your case is no different. A Pettit could not have signed the contract on behalf of the company because he was not a director or secretary of that company.
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  • Thanks for the posts about the contract. Having examined it properly it does seem the contract is not valid. Do I just raise this at the hearing or do I need to send it to the court/claimant before the hearing? 
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