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Can we please stop the House Price crash threads?

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  • HugoSP
    HugoSP Posts: 2,467 Forumite
    I'm in the corner with the OP on this, and this is why.

    I have no issue with sensible discussions regarding house price crash, adjustments etc. TBH I have watched closely as we are/were trying to sell an investment property - we are now considering keeping it a couple of years with the current tenant, who is excellent.

    However, what I think the OP is swayed by is the pointless digging by some elements of the HPC brigade who seem to bask in other peoples' misfortunes.

    Whether or not people are their own undoing, it is very unhelpful to have others come here and rub their noses in it.

    If I ever got into financial trouble I for one would think twice about coming to this forum for advice, as I know that certain posters would simply fill my thread with stupid comments.

    I frequent a number of forums, but with this one it's getting to a stage where I think seriously about coming on here for all the crap that is aimed at making those with real problems feel worse and boosting the fan club of the author. I genuinely care about people and am often disgusted at the way some people simply post to do other people down. People who come and post here are often suffering from depression and other mental illnesses. The idiots who post this rubbish really don't know what they are doing, and would be best advised to stay away from a computer.

    This site needs tougher moderation, as some comments and their authors really do need to be nipped in the bud .

    On the other hand there are those that don't like bad news repeated in several corners of the internet. Provided the discussion is sensible I don't see a huge problem with that. However, I would say that it can be annoying when there are several threads about the same subject. Keeping it down to one thread does free up the first page of the board so that more subjects can be discussed, such as when people ask for advice.

    The only problem I see is when other related subjects get discussed, like the interest rate one for example, house prices couldn't help to get a mention there. That is where effective moderation can keep the discussion on track. I used to help moderate another site and we were quite strict in keeping threads to the original topic, for the very reasons discussed here.
    Behind every great man is a good woman
    Beside this ordinary man is a great woman
    £2 savings jar - now at £3.42:rotfl:
  • Wowee !! Excellent post Hugo SP. I'm with you and the OP on this.

    As the Yanks say "Enough already !!"

    ;)
  • BettiePage
    BettiePage Posts: 4,627 Forumite
    Hugo, This forum states
    This website is based on journalistic research. It does not constitute financial advice. Any information should be considered in regard to specific circumstances. All tips are followed at your own risk and should be followed up with your own research
    so I'd expect everyone to draw their own conclusions. Another point of view is always a good idea though isn't it? Even if only to underline that your views are the right ones for you.
    Illegitimi non carborundum.
  • HugoSP
    HugoSP Posts: 2,467 Forumite
    BettiePage wrote: »
    Hugo, This forum states so I'd expect everyone to draw their own conclusions. Another point of view is always a good idea though isn't it? Even if only to underline that your views are the right ones for you.

    I understand what you are saying but I don't immediately see how it relates to what I wrote.

    I'll take a stab anyway. If you are discussing points of view and opinions then I don't have an issue with these. They are points of view. What I object to is the tendancy of some to machine gun others who have got themselves into a spot of bother, purely for self gratification.

    I'll give you an example:

    There was a post on the bank account thread recently where someone was panicking because her bank had let hour go overdrawn. She had got used to her card not being able to get money out if there was none in her account, on one occasion it did. She was simply after a bit of reassurance.

    The sensible answer was to advise her to talk to her bank and resolve it in a calm and rational way, and perhaps to suggest that she took a more proactive approach to managing her money in the future.

    The route that one poster in particular took was to ridicule her for "blaming the bank for her mismanagement of her money", which she didn't do at all.

    Another was a poster who came on here to moan about his house sale having fell through. The OP mentioned that he was now worried it wouldn't sell as it needed work doing to it. One regular poster to this forum was ignorant enough to draw the conclusion that the OP was trying to rip off a FTB and was now stuck with the house and it served him right. When something like this happens to you, you don't want to read this.
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  • Nenen
    Nenen Posts: 2,379 Forumite
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    HugoSP wrote: »
    What I object to is the tendancy of some to machine gun others who have got themselves into a spot of bother, purely for self gratification.

    I'll give you an example:

    There was a post on the bank account thread recently .....

    Another was a poster who came on here to moan about his house sale having fell through.......

    Hugo, I totally agree there are occasionally some very rude and aggresive posts which (IMHO) are totally uneccessary, unkind and against everything MSE is supposed to be about. I'm quite sure I don't have to quote Martin's advice re being nice to ALL money savers to anyone reading this.

    However, this current thread is supposed to be about the necessity (or otherwise) of curtailing all HPC discussions to a single thread and, as far as I can remember, neither of the examples of unkind and aggresive postings you've quoted were anything to do with the HPC debates/threads. I think there are aggresive and rude posters on all forums. I know it does sometimes happen on HPC discussions that a small minority of contributers post aggresive and unkind things and I agree that these people should be dealt with by the mods. However, they should not be allowed to spoil things for the rest of us who have a genuine interest in debating house prices and whether or not a 'crash' is imminent etc.

    You say that you are 'with the OP on this one' and yet the OP is the one who has written things like:
    Originally Posted by nollag2006 viewpost.gif
    "Oh how I love to rile the House Price Crash muppets !!!"

    I find this kind of comment unecessary and rude and am therefore suprised you wish to back him!
    “A journey is best measured in friends, not in miles.”
    (Tim Cahill)
  • Lavendyr
    Lavendyr Posts: 2,610 Forumite
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    HugoSP wrote: »
    If you are discussing points of view and opinions then I don't have an issue with these. They are points of view. What I object to is the tendancy of some to machine gun others who have got themselves into a spot of bother, purely for self gratification.
    Yet this is the case on every single internet forum of which I have ever been a member, whether reasonably closed/restricted or entirely open. There are always those who get self-gratification from putting others down, or p'ing others off, or whatever. In my experience, MSE is actually one of the most civil, intelligent forums I've ever been a part of, and that's why I like being here. Sure, people have differing opinions, and sometimes they get a bit judgemental and opinionated, but that's just one of the things you have to deal with on an internet forum, and I'd go as far as to say that anyone who can't take that kind of response should not be on an internet forum - it's just the nature of the beast.

    Of course, it's not ideal, and I'd prefer if everyone was polite and stated opinions in a considered and civil manner, but here on the internet, I've come to accept that it just isn't, and won't be, the case.
  • carolt
    carolt Posts: 8,531 Forumite
    fc123 wrote: »

    PS; do you think Carolet's mums name begins with M???

    Oh no, I've been rumbled!

    My mum's name is.....Mum! :D

    PS You really do need to work on that spelling, you know... ;)
  • HugoSP
    HugoSP Posts: 2,467 Forumite
    Nenen wrote: »
    However, this current thread is supposed to be about the necessity (or otherwise) of curtailing all HPC discussions to a single thread and, as far as I can remember, neither of the examples of unkind and aggresive postings you've quoted were anything to do with the HPC debates/threads.

    No, these two examples weren't. They just came to mind when I wrote these comments. What I will say is that one poster I refer to does take great delight in winding people up, on these threads and others in this forum. That's not to say that examples don't exist in the HPC threads - they do.

    I think there are aggresive and rude posters on all forums. I know it does sometimes happen on HPC discussions that a small minority of contributers post aggresive and unkind things and I agree that these people should be dealt with by the mods. However, they should not be allowed to spoil things for the rest of us who have a genuine interest in debating house prices and whether or not a 'crash' is imminent etc.

    I totally agree. However until the mods actually do something about these people, they are spoiling it for the rest of us. I like a debate, I've just contributed to one regarding Rightmove's November HP index that Mystic Trev started. I still maintain that this is the sort of thread that should be tacked onto the HPC thread, as it is after all about that subject. If it were a different but related subject it would justify its own thread.
    You say that you are 'with the OP on this one' and yet the OP is the one who has written things like:
    Originally Posted by nollag2006 viewpost.gif
    "Oh how I love to rile the House Price Crash muppets !!!"

    I find this kind of comment unecessary and rude and am therefore suprised you wish to back him!

    I'll have to trust you on this one, I haven't been back to read his post carefully as I just caught the gist of it. I would not condone such comments. When I back someone up I don't necessarily agree with everything they say, just their fundemental position on the debate.

    All I can say is that if he was thinking of the same posters as I am, I can sympathise with his sentiment, but, as an ex moderator on another forum, I would have edited it out.

    IMO we need to understand that there are several camps here. The important ones IMO are those who have bought a house with a mortgage, those who also may have invested in property over the years, like myself, and those who rent mainly because they can't buy despite working hard to get together a deposit.

    Hard working decent folk who fall into any of these camps will no doubt add fantastic value to these debates. However there is another camp here that just seem to think the rest of us owe them a living. It is these people who come on here and moan when people reap the rewards for hard work, and seem to delight in their misfortunes when it all goes wrong. There is a lot of genuine misfortune reported here and the same people pop up time and time again lacking all sorts of intellect.

    The other main reason I would favour limiting HPC threads is that it would keep all these idiots in one place.:D
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  • peter999
    peter999 Posts: 7,102 Forumite
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    nollag2006 wrote: »
    The mods have already asked that all discussion of house price crash be confined to one specific thread, as outined here:

    This is a waste of everyones time, and is really disrespectful to Martin and the mods.

    At the very least these threads should be locked, and a warning issued to those that are violating the rules that they will be banned if they continue behaving in this manner
    This is hilarious.

    Are you starting to get the shakes & jitters ??!!
    Are you coming out in a cold sweat ??!!

    Similiarly I wish we could have banned those endless tedious property hyping TV programs over the years.

    peter999
  • ManAtHome
    ManAtHome Posts: 8,512 Forumite
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    HugoSP wrote: »
    and those who rent mainly because they can't buy despite working hard to get together a deposit.

    However there is another camp here that just seem to think the rest of us owe them a living. It is these people who come on here and moan when people reap the rewards for hard work
    And there you have the dichotomy - the first lot of "hard workers" being !!!!!! on by the second lot, specifically the OP ("life is soooo unfair", BoE thinking abot panic rate reductions is "good news for everyone"... - prat!). Any wonder a majority of people who were "stupid/lazy" enough to be still at school when the bubble started don't have a good view of btl-ers..?
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