Road Tax Robbery

AdrianC

almillar wrote: »

Ah, that ol' greenwash rubbish.

We've already discussed this Adrian. I did use the word 'gross'.

I'm happy to agree to refer to it as "grossly misleading".

gzoom

Hermione_Granger wrote: »

If this is to be believed:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/energy/windpower/9889882/Wind-farms-will-create-more-carbon-dioxide-say-scientists.html
An awful lot of onshore wind turbines.
Okay, they don't emit it directly but they are still responsible for the release of it.

You also have to account for the CO2 produced in the manufacture of the renewable energy generators whether they are solar panels or wind/water turbines and again the energy used to decommission and recycle or dispose of them at the end of their useful life.

This mad/stubborn wish to resist change in energy generation really baffles me. Yes 'renewable' energy has challenges, but compared to digging something out of the ground, transporting it, refining it, than transporting it some more, to finally burning it - which all require the infrastructure to be built/maintained/scrapped, I personally find wind turbines a very elegant solution to energy generation.

This is the marketing material JLR recently produced to promote the iPace, yes JLR will have ensure they used all the 'best' figures, but even if the number of turns on a wind turbine is double what JLR quotes that still seems like a very sensible way to provide power for personal transportation compared to burning dead animals. Last time I checked the UK also seem to have a near endless supply of wind, especially in winter months.



https://youtu.be/aMGBfjnom4U

Angus_Og

gzoom wrote: »

Last time I checked the UK also seem to have a near endless supply of wind, especially in winter months.

Until you really need it.

Enterprise_1701C

Wind turbines can't operate over a certain speed, around 50mph.

unholyangel

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Wind turbines can't operate over a certain speed, around 50mph.

They reach their maximum output around 50mph. But their survival speed can be as high as 180mph.

almillar

I'm happy to agree to refer to it as "grossly misleading".

1MW used. 1MW sourced from renewables. Gross. What's misleading, once you understand your home isn't directly connected to a wind turbine?

Until you really need it.

*batteries*

AdrianC

almillar wrote: »

1MW used. 1MW sourced from renewables. Gross. What's misleading, once you understand your home isn't directly connected to a wind turbine?

Because it quite simply isn't 1MW sourced from renewables.
With the generation split as it is right now, that 1MW is 189kW from wind, 8kW from hydro, 57kW from biomass and 89kW from solar.

Oh, yes, and 420kW from gas, 157kW from nuclear and 21kW from coal.

EXACTLY the same as for me, on a non-"green" tariff.

Meanwhile, Ecotricity's generation business is putting exactly the same amount into the grid as if their billings business had precisely zero customers. If their wind generation is absolutely flat out, that's a bit over 10% of current wind generation. But since wind generation as a whole is only at a small fraction of its theoretical maximum...

Ergates

planenut wrote: »

Blatant money making.

Yes, that is one of the two main purposes of taxation. Well done for figuring that out.

almillar

Oh, yes, and 420kW from gas, 157kW from nuclear and 21kW from coal.

Yes, instantaneously, when you put the kettle on, that's where the power comes from. You can switch on and off wind, solar, gas, nuclear, etc. power like that. As I said, if Ecotricity's customers use, say 1MW of electric in a year, they need to produce 1MW from renewable sources. So, in the round, that's 100% green. If their customers use 2MW next year, they need to install more wind turbines etc.
The idea that people are being fooled into thinking there's some kind of green grid that they get plugged into if they change supplier, is ridiculous, that's not greenwash.

forgotmyname

Are you saying that my green renewable energy from the bird slicing wind turbine shares the same cables as nasty evil death to the planet fossil fuel created energy?

Why does my green energy not know that all the power it created whilst not chopping up the wildlife should be directed to my power sockets only and sit there waiting for me to use it.

GreenGate.... The common people need to know this.....