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Smart Meters mandatory on new fixed term deals
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Personally i think the entire thing has been mis-managed and people should have never been given the choice in the first place. People have never had a choice in the past when meters were changed from analog to digital so this is just the next advancement in meter technology. Plus when you consider the customer doesn't even own the meter then why even ask them.
I honestly think there are no current plans for load limiting or load shedding because currently supply does meet the demand without any blackouts, so nothing there to publicise.
Time of Use tariffs will probably happen but they can't publicise costs when they probably haven't even come up with any yet. But even if they did there will always be smaller companies coming in with new tariffs if customers are not happy with what the big 6 offer.
There's an awful lot of 'think' and 'probably' in your repeated defence of 'smart' meters and a lack of hard evidence.
In essence you are asking us to trust electricity generators and politicians not to do something that time and again we have been told is precisely what they are intending to do.
The fundamental problem is that UK energy policy discriminates against the very methods that can reliably deliver consistent baseload: gas, coal and nuclear, in favour of wind and solar, which are never going to be able to deliver sufficiently reliable power,
Anyone interested in the technical background to this will find all they need here: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/11/30/excess-costs-of-uk-weather-dependent-renewable-energy-2018/
Even when you grudgingly admit electricity blackouts are likely, you then try to defend these meters as the least worst option for managing supply shortages. This sidesteps the fact that they were introduced, in part, clearly to facilitate the energy policies which even the most fervent 'Greens' had finally realised would create such shortages. That is pretty mind-numbing casuistry.
Instead of telling the public the truth - that government policy means we will inevitably face electricity shortages - we were sold as energy saving devices (which they are not) equipment whose real purpose is to mitigate the failure of government and industry policy.
When the inevitable happens and blackouts like last August's become common, you claim smart meters will soften the blow. I would suggest that had we been told the truth in the first place and if the fig leaf of ' managed demand' not been there for government to hide behind, we wouldn't have been in this mess in the first place.0 -
DeletedUser wrote: »Lol Gerry, reading what some of these posters have to say, i kept thinking i was reading a script from 'Yes Minister' too!
Like when i asked for 'details' and i was given a link to a 'broad outline'.
If you want an in depth report of how the extra data can be used to better manage the national grid then your asking the wrong people.
If you think that the extra data will not help in any way why don't you give details of why you think this?.DeletedUser wrote: »Takmon, Give us a choice? About equipment installed in our own homes? What were they thinking! Madness! Sheer madness i tell you!
It may be installed in peoples homes but they have never had the choice before when meters were changed. Also people don't have enough knowledge to make a sensible decision about whether to have one or not. A lot of people think the IHD is the smart meter, so how can they decide if they need one when they don't even know what it is :rotfl:Straight out of 'Yes, Prime Minister' !
If the was never the remotest possibility of any of these features ever being implemented at any time in the future, why were they so carefully specified?
Well if they had these features and they were not carefully specified then people would just use the argument that they were "hidden features" that the government were trying to sneakily implement.
It makes sense that the meters have all possible features because they are designed to last a very long time in peoples homes. If they had taken more time to specify which features they should have before they started installation then we wouldn't have the SMETS1 vs SMETS2 issues we have now.There's an awful lot of 'think' and 'probably' in your repeated defence of 'smart' meters and a lack of hard evidence.
In essence you are asking us to trust electricity generators and politicians not to do something that time and again we have been told is precisely what they are intending to do.
I think both sides of the argument lack hard evidence. I haven't seen any reports saying that load limiting will be used in the UK in the future so if you could put the links on here i would be interested.
Personally i have been saying for years we need more nuclear power stations being built ASAP but so many people seem to protest against them it's ridiculous.0 -
When the inevitable happens and blackouts like last August's become common, you claim smart meters will soften the blow. I would suggest that had we been told the truth in the first place and if the fig leaf of ' managed demand' not been there for government to hide behind, we wouldn't have been in this mess in the first place.
This thread is all about people not wanting smart meters. So considering that i can't see how refusing to have one will be beneficial in any way if blackouts are inevitable?0 -
"Having a smart meter in everyone's home will mean we have a smart electricity grid and will allow the supply and demand to be better regulated making it more efficient."
Oh deary me, I did not ask for an in-depth report, as you mistakenly put, I simply asked for some details to illustrate your claim. I'm afraid that simply saying Its going to 'make it more efficient' Just doesn't cut the mustard.
Details which have yet to be provided i might add. When they have, perhaps i might be able to respond to your question?"It may be installed in peoples homes but they have never had the choice before when meters were changed."
So that makes it ok? We never used to have a vote....
...and, I wonder why they are giving us a choice at all?0 -
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Nothing to do with UK, it's the euro policy engineered by the groupings in MEP's and the very powerful 75 green MEP's. The UK is (still in) and we do what's legislated for. As with much of so called UK policy it's out of our control.
SMETs will eventually become essential if you even want an energy supply. They (EU) see it as essential for climate change.Disclaimer : Everything I write on this forum is my opinion. I try to be an even-handed poster and accept that you at times may not agree with these opinions or how I choose to express them, this is not my problem. The Disabled : If years cannot be added to their lives, at least life can be added to their years - Alf Morris - ℜ0 -
Anybody had this e-mail/text message off eon
Hi, it s E.ON. As part of your energy tariff you agreed to have smart meters fitted. We're fitting the latest SMETS2 smart meters and have appointments Mon to Sat, AM (8am-12pm) or PM (12pm-4pm). Please reply with the best day and time for you e.g. Monday PM.0 -
The power producing companies already know exactly when load is going to be high. There was a newspaper article many many years ago about how electricity usage went up when people turned the kettle on after Coronation Street had finished. They don't have any need of smart meters to tell them. They are just about rationing supply & charging more when you actually want/need to use it. I mean you can't make the kids wait until 8pm to have their tea, it just isn't realistic or even healthy!0
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DeletedUser wrote: »Oh deary me, I did not ask for an in-depth report, as you mistakenly put, I simply asked for some details to illustrate your claim. I'm afraid that simply saying Its going to 'make it more efficient' Just doesn't cut the mustard.
Details which have yet to be provided i might add. When they have, perhaps i might be able to respond to your question?The power producing companies already know exactly when load is going to be high. There was a newspaper article many many years ago about how electricity usage went up when people turned the kettle on after Coronation Street had finished. They don't have any need of smart meters to tell them. They are just about rationing supply & charging more when you actually want/need to use it. I mean you can't make the kids wait until 8pm to have their tea, it just isn't realistic or even healthy!
Well here is a news article from 2018 explaining how the National Grid struggles to know how much electricity demand there is at peak times:
https://www.ft.com/content/4fe8d28e-18be-11e8-9376-4a6390addb44
They don't have accurate information on how much electricity smaller plants are generating so can't reliably calculate how much the real demand actually is.
With smart meters they will be able to know exactly how much the demand is and exactly where the power needs to go. This data will allow them to better plan when and where power needs to be generated to meet this demand without any waste from excess generation.DeletedUser wrote: »So that makes it ok? We never used to have a vote....
...and, I wonder why they are giving us a choice at all?
It's like people being given the choice of what type of meter will be used at the fuel station they use to fill up their car. Do you chose your fuel station based on the type of meter they have in the pumps to measure the fuel?.
If i said i chose which supermarket to shop at based on the type of load cells used in the scales to weight the fruit and veg and that i was against certain types of scales. Would you think that was a sensible attitude to have?
To me it just seems really silly that people were given the choice.0 -
I was looking at one of the E ON tarrifs, and it says you agree to be contacted about a smart meter,but does not say you have to have it installed?An online advisor chat on E ON website a message said "we would prefer you to have a smart meter but you don't have to"
Hello SeeMe and happy to confirm, you can turn down our offers to have smart meters. I replied to a similar post from you at the link below.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6072648/smart-meter-moan-and-eon
Hope this explains.
Malc“Official Company Representative
I am an official company representative of E.ON. MSE has given permission for me to post in response to queries about the company, so that I can help solve issues. You can see my name on the companies with permission to post list. I am not allowed to tout for business at all. If you believe I am please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com This does NOT imply any form of approval of my company or its products by MSE"0 -
It does not say it's mandatory but, as I have commented on the other thread about Eon and 'smart meters' (sic) Eon goes to great lengths to con its users into believing that it is compulsory.
Hello A. Badger and as promised in the thread below, I sent your comments about our smart meter communications to those responsible here at E.ON this morning. I've also followed it up this afternoon via a discussion with the management team for this area.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6072648/smart-meter-moan-and-eon
Thank you for the feedback and I'll let you know about any developments.
Malc“Official Company Representative
I am an official company representative of E.ON. MSE has given permission for me to post in response to queries about the company, so that I can help solve issues. You can see my name on the companies with permission to post list. I am not allowed to tout for business at all. If you believe I am please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com This does NOT imply any form of approval of my company or its products by MSE"0
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