Vote for Corbyns brexit option....

Rich2808

David_Evans wrote: »

But they're not your voting rights or mine. That is only to do with the UK govt.
The only thing that concerns normal UK citizens is their passport and rights to travel, work, move goods etc.
You don't control how the UK govt votes in EU meetings - any more than I do.

We do hold general elections to decide who our government is and elect MEPs every five years. So we do have a say in who is representing us currently - albeit we don't control every thing they do or say - but we can of course change them at the next election.

BobQ

Rich2808 wrote: »

We do hold general elections to decide who our government is and elect MEPs every five years. So we do have a say in who is representing us currently - albeit we don't control every thing they do or say - but we can of course change them at the next election.

And we control the way the minority Tory Government behaves? We authorized them to give NI an extra billion in subsidies to buy their support? We authorized them to spend two years negotiating Brexit when they never had a plan for doing so? We cannot blame the EU for these things.

Rich2808

BobQ wrote: »

And we control the way the minority Tory Government behaves? We authorized them to give NI an extra billion in subsidies to buy their support? We authorized them to spend two years negotiating Brexit when they never had a plan for doing so? We cannot blame the EU for these things.

We pay £50 billion a year in interest on our debt - Gordon Brown never asked us if we wanted that either. The £1bn is being spent on services in Northern Ireland - regeneration and mental health expenditure and more - unlike the £50bn going to the financial sector and overseas sovereign wealth funds etc and isn't exactly going to DUP party funds. The DUP are there to fight for NI - just as Plaid for Wales and the SNP for Scotland. No doubt if Corbyn needs Plaid and SNP votes to form a majority after the next election - Scotland and Wales may no doubt get extra funding too.

We didn't vote Tory/Lib Dem in 2010 - but the Tories and Lib Dems based on the how the voting worked out decided to form a coalition combining a mix of their party's manifestos. Both had to compromise to get a deal.

So its nothing new. Its just amazing how much outrage there was about a £1 billion one off sum - but little anger about the £50 billion which will be wasted for decades more each year given our £2 trillion national debt. Focus on the pennies - who cares about the trillions!

David_Evans

BobQ wrote: »

Ah more Labour bashing personal abuse.

I am told that the Mail on Sunday spent 20 pages rubbishing Corbyn today, one wonders what they are so scared about?

What is wrong with being pro-human rights. Are you not in favour of human rights?

What have these people ever done to be described as anti-British? Evidence please?


Only two of them are lawyers

I am saying these are the opinions of the voters I know.
These politicians are less popular personally, than the policies they support.

The MSM attacks Corbyn because the MSM is run by wealthy individuals who fear getting taxed etc. They don't really care about terrorism - because they are very unlikely to ever be affected by it.

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

Ah more Labour bashing personal abuse.

Struggling to lose the anti-semtic tag. Must be some powerful people behind the scenes for Corbyn not to tackle the issue head on. People that he needs to support him. Unless of course he holds personal views.

John_G_Jones

BobQ wrote: »

Ah more Labour bashing personal abuse.

I am told that the Mail on Sunday spent 20 pages rubbishing Corbyn today, one wonders what they are so scared about?

Probably scared that someone who held Venezuela up as a shining example and still won’t admit that they are wrong could get in and take our company down a similar route.

Many very sensible people are scared of him getting in, and are probably right to be.

He’s in favour of disbanding the army, has spoken in favour of open borders, and invited Hamas to tea with no preconditions yet refused to do the same with the Prime Minister.

David_Evans

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Struggling to lose the anti-semtic tag. Must be some powerful people behind the scenes for Corbyn not to tackle the issue head on. People that he needs to support him. Unless of course he holds personal views.

I have to say that of the Labour voters I know, anti-semitism has never once been mentioned.
Maybe it's an issue in London? I don't know.

I hear a lot about muslims, terrorism, immigration, Brexit, jobs, bankers.
But never once anything about Jewish people.
I don't think I've ever even met a Jewish person.
I only ever see it mentioned by the media online.

David_Evans

John_G_Jones wrote: »

Probably scared that someone who held Venezuela up as a shining example and still won’t admit that they are wrong could get in and take our company down a similar route.

Many very sensible people are scared of him getting in, and are probably right to be.

He’s in favour of disbanding the army, has spoken in favour of open borders, and invited Hamas to tea with no preconditions yet refused to do the same with the Prime Minister.

This is exactly the kind of things I hear people say in my town.

Venezuela (most don't know where it is).
Asylum seekers
Immigrants.
Hamas / Hezbollah - most probably think they are on the same side as ISIS.

Thrugelmir

David_Evans wrote: »

I have to say that of the Labour voters I know, anti-semitism has never once been mentioned.
Maybe it's an issue in London? I don't know.

Certainly a concentration of Orthodox Jewish people in the capital. Historically Labour voters.

Is an internal issue within the party. That's festering away at the core.

Labour are far removed from the (later discovered uneasy) alliance that Tony and Gordon formed to make the party electable.