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Vote for Corbyns brexit option....

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  • michaels wrote: »
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    I read a piece this week that said 95% of Labours marginal target seats voted leave and that most current labour seats vote labour for other reasons so electorally their is only one possible public stance even if it doesn't reflect the views of the membership (momentum)

    As politicians need votes to survive - I'd say this is their major consideration.
    If I was Corbyn, I'd lean more towards leave. my calculation would be that a disgruntled Labour (Momentum) member will hopefully still vote Labour. But a disgruntled Labour (leave) voter may abstain or vote UKIP etc.
  • movilogo
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    Why doesn’t labour and Corbyn have the guts to say they want to remain instead of the endless spineless fence sitting.

    1. Because they think people are fool.
    2. They want votes from both Leavers and Remainers.
    3. They know as long as they can tax few to provide benefits to many they will win by numbers.
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    At the end of the day Labour have the same problem the Tories do, the leave/remain split cuts across the party and support base, so they can't go all out one way or the other without alienating voters.

    Its the ridiculousness of our two party system.
  • movilogo
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    Its the ridiculousness of our two party system.

    If UK doesn't leave EU, there is a good change leavers and remainers split from Tories & Labours and form Brexit & Anti-Brexit party.

    Of course, that will be another 2-party system :)

    The main problem is first past the post system. It should have been representative system. This is why in last to last election UKIP got more votes than LibDems + SNP combined yet won only 1 seat!

    There was a referendum on alternative voting but never had one asking about representative voting. None of the big parties want it thought.
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  • andrewf75
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    Agree, I can see a realignment of British politics coming out of this even assuming we do leave. There should be parties representing the main views of the population and there aren't really at the moment.
  • StevieJ
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    As politicians need votes to survive - I'd say this is their major consideration.
    If I was Corbyn, I'd lean more towards leave. my calculation would be that a disgruntled Labour (Momentum) member will hopefully still vote Labour. But a disgruntled Labour (leave) voter may abstain or vote UKIP etc.


    It is estimated that 65% of Labour voters cast their vote for Remain and 35% to leave. The vast majority of Labour voters are not Momentum members.


    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-vote
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    StevieJ wrote: »
    It is estimated that 65% of Labour voters cast their vote for Remain and 35% to leave. The vast majority of Labour voters are not Momentum members.


    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-vote

    Yes, a lot of Labour seats may skew towards Leave but their voters don't
  • It's only really voters in marginal constituencies that matter in a general election.

    In my constituency you could put a red rosette on a donkey and it would win.
  • Nasqueron
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    zarf2007 wrote: »
    Yes, the Labour Party is truly a Democratic Party, keep holding a referendum until you get the answer you want....which is Remain of course.


    Nigel Farage said before the vote, 52/48 for remain would be "unfinished business" and he'd campaign for a second vote.



    The petition on the parliament site that got 4m votes that said there needed to be a 75% turnout and winning margin of 10(?)% to be binding was a leave voter trying to stop a narrow remain win ending the debate.


    Leave would never in a million years have accepted remain winning particularly on a small vote.


    As leave supporter David Davis stated "If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy"


    We know for a fact that around 1.3m-1.4m people have died since the vote, mostly old, mostly leave voters. We know also that a similar number of 16-17 year olds are now old enough to vote (mostly remain). The mood of the nation is different and remain has had an average 8% lead. A hard WTO Brexit is not what most voted for even among leave voters, few would have accepted us losing money and being worse off as a price to pay.



    Even Farage stated before the vote the Swiss or Norwegian model was good, an EEA+ agreement means business does well, we continue the vital free movement of people to supply our workforce (people who on average pay more into the system than they get out) and we don't face losing 70+ trade deals from the 30th March (we have 4 or 5 provisional agreements with minor trading partners)

    Sam Vimes' Boots Theory of Socioeconomic Unfairness: 

    People are rich because they spend less money. A poor man buys $10 boots that last a season or two before he's walking in wet shoes and has to buy another pair. A rich man buys $50 boots that are made better and give him 10 years of dry feet. The poor man has spent $100 over those 10 years and still has wet feet.

  • movilogo wrote: »
    If UK doesn't leave EU, there is a good change leavers and remainers split from Tories & Labours and form Brexit & Anti-Brexit party.
    Do you mean join the newly-formed Brexit Party? It's been started up in readiness, in case leaving is cancelled or delayed and has Nigel Farage as it's figurehead.

    Now that would be an interesting election, wouldn't it? Those not wanting Brexit would be split between the usual two, ripe for the Brexit Party to win by a landslide!
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