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Vote for Corbyns brexit option....

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  • Arklight
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    zarf2007 wrote: »
    How about being the so called man of the people he is billed as and do what is right? Stop playing political games and have the guts to state what you really believe in.

    No wonder the populist movement is expanding with these spineless idiots in charge.

    He’s very forthcoming with his terrorist supporting views though isn’t he?

    What angers me is the complete disarray the Torres are in, May has surrounded herself with the most useless bunch since John Major and will no doubt go the same way when Corbyn wins the next election, then god help us.

    He's said that Labour will respect the results of the referendum. He's also said that he is at best 6/10 in favour of the EU but it's better for the timebeing than what the Tories have planned for a non-EU Britain.

    I'm not sure if you are remain or leave, but there is no obfuscation that I can see. The UK is leaving the EU one way or another. Until the government decides what leaving will look like, or their incompetence runs the clock down to the point circumstances take away the UK's choice, the opposition can't state an opposing policy, because there isn't a government policy.
  • Arklight wrote: »
    Until the government decides what leaving will look like, or their incompetence runs the clock down to the point circumstances take away the UK's choice, the opposition can't state an opposing policy, because there isn't a government policy.

    But this is the problem in a nutshell. It seems to the man in the street that Labour has been out to oppose anything and everything, good or bad, that anyone suggests, for its own tribal political ends.
  • mrschaucer wrote: »
    But this is the problem in a nutshell. It seems to the man in the street that Labour has been out to oppose anything and everything, good or bad, that anyone suggests, for its own tribal political ends.

    I don't think it really matters what Labour's plan is - because there's not going to be a general election any time soon.

    If I was Corbyn, I'd just keep sitting on the fence as quietly as possible and let the Tories deal with the problem.

    Then if things go badly wrong - Labour could win 'by default'.
  • cloud_dog
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    If I was Corbyn, I'd just keep sitting on the fence as quietly as possible and let the Tories deal with the problem.
    That's what helped us get in to this mess in the first place. That and Cameron's spine of jelly.
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  • cloud_dog wrote: »
    That's what helped us get in to this mess in the first place. That and Cameron's spine of jelly.

    There is no 'us'.
    Everyone has their own agenda.
    Corbyn has probably done better than he ever imagined possible.
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  • Rich2808
    Rich2808 Posts: 1,353 Forumite
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    edited 10 February 2019 at 3:03PM
    So we leave the EU in name only and lose all our voting rights and MEPs.

    Stay closely aligned to - and potentially in - the single market
    Keep freedom of movement - as is now apparently Labour's revised policy this week
    Stay in a customs union with the EU which we have no say over and means third party nations with which the EU has free trade deal with can export tariff free to us but we don't have the same reciprocal rights in return. This is the case for the only other nation outside the EU which is in a customs union with the EU - Turkey.

    There is a reason why the EFTA member states - Norway, Iceland etc - aren't in a customs union with the EU even though they are in the single market as its a dumb and bad idea.

    What exactly would be the point of the - the only thing that would change is we lose our voting rights and have no say?

    Sorry - no thanks to Corbyn's Brexit.
  • BobQ
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    cogito wrote: »
    What possible reason could we have for joining a Customs Union? I can't think of a single one.

    He says from his location outside the UK and in the EU.

    The government and the EU want the certainty of a deal this provides a deal that does not need the controversial backstop.

    It maintains a trading framework with the EEA thus addressing the problems we will face if we were to take no-deal

    Industry will regard this is the sort of stability they crave compared to the Mayhem that is currently going on

    As we would have access to the EU trade deals (albeit without influence). It has already become apparent that UK is not able to get a better deal with Japan and US than the EU has already got. Same is likely to apply to other agreements. WE DO NOT HAVE GREATER BARGAINING POWER than the EU.

    The cost of no deal is not inconsiderable and is so unnecessary.

    While I do not agree with the way Tusk expressed the "hell" comment, he is right that the UK electorate will never forgive the leaders who took us into Brexit with fine words but no plan.

    The Corbyn proposal has been suggested many times by many people. May will reject it not on its merits but because it is not her deal. May is in a hole and still digging deeper.
    Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.
  • Rich2808 wrote: »
    So we leave the EU in name only and lose all our voting rights and MEPs.


    What exactly would be the point of the - the only thing that would change is we lose our voting rights and have no say?

    Sorry - no thanks to Corbyn's Brexit.

    But they're not your voting rights or mine. That is only to do with the UK govt.
    The only thing that concerns normal UK citizens is their passport and rights to travel, work, move goods etc.
    You don't control how the UK govt votes in EU meetings - any more than I do.
  • BobQ
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    But it would mean getting rid of Corbyn, Abbot, Thornberry, Chakrobarty etc.
    These MPs are seen as anti-British, pro-human rights, pigs in the trough lawyers etc.

    Ah more Labour bashing personal abuse.

    I am told that the Mail on Sunday spent 20 pages rubbishing Corbyn today, one wonders what they are so scared about?

    What is wrong with being pro-human rights. Are you not in favour of human rights?

    What have these people ever done to be described as anti-British? Evidence please?



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