Congestion Charge 24hr window - please help break this down for me!

George_Michael

steedoc wrote: »

What this window IS is a bunch of baloney, that's why I'm on this forum to test my argument and determine whether TFL is acting in bad faith, that this is a pure revenue generation trick, and that the system needs to be modified.

As you clearly state to coming on here to test your argument and due to the fact that the vast majority of responders all think that your argument has no real basis does this mean that you will now agree that the TFL policy is fair?

If not then you can't honestly say that you were here to test your argument but instead were only here to find people to back you up.

AdrianC

k3lvc wrote: »

Entertainment at its best - I'm waiting for the OPs report of car parking in that area and how they tried to negotiate 3 days credit for payment :rotfl:

No, no, no... That's DIFFERENT...

Aylesbury_Duck

brianposter wrote: »

And, in the real world, it doesnt even work when tested.

Have you informed TfL? They must have noticed their system not working and all those charges going unpaid?

It works. A few people get tripped up by it in the same way a few people get caught out with VED, parking tickets, MOTs, insurance, box junctions and everything else. In the vast majority of cases it is the user's error or ignorance of the rules that causes the problem. That doesn't make the system broken.

brianposter

Aylesbury_Duck wrote: »

Have you informed TfL? They must have noticed their system not working and all those charges going unpaid?

It works. A few people get tripped up by it in the same way a few people get caught out with VED, parking tickets, MOTs, insurance, box junctions and everything else. In the vast majority of cases it is the user's error or ignorance of the rules that causes the problem. That doesn't make the system broken.

Have you noticed Ryanair recently claiming that there is no "ticket name " glitch in their computer system ? Who is likely to be right - Ryanair or MSE ?

Aylesbury_Duck

brianposter wrote: »

Have you noticed Ryanair recently claiming that there is no "ticket name " glitch in their computer system ? Who is likely to be right - Ryanair or MSE ?

Have you noticed the price of fish has risen in Tesco?

brianposter

Aylesbury_Duck wrote: »

It works.

Anyone who describes a computer system as working, without further qualification, can usually be regarded as talking through their hat.
I was giving you the opportunity to provide some relevant qualification, or at least an opportunity to distinguish between yourself and the likes of the Ryanair spokesperson.

Aylesbury_Duck

brianposter wrote: »

Anyone who describes a computer system as working, without further qualification, can usually be regarded as talking through their hat.
I was giving you the opportunity to provide some relevant qualification, or at least an opportunity to distinguish between yourself and the likes of the Ryanair spokesperson.

Ok, I'll pick one particular quarter of last year. Of the 53,145 people who entered the zone and were eligible to be charged on the average day, 50,489 of them paid according to the rules and in the time specified. That's 95% of people managing to use the system properly. Of those that couldn't use it properly, only 1 in 5 appealed, suggesting they knew they'd messed up. Those figures are similar for any other quarter's data you care to look at.

That seems conclusive to me; the system works. 50,000 people every day are capable of navigating it correctly and paying on time.

AdrianC

Aylesbury_Duck wrote: »

Ok, I'll pick one particular quarter of last year. Of the 53,145 people who entered the zone and were eligible to be charged on the average day, 50,489 of them paid according to the rules and in the time specified. That's 95% of people managing to use the system properly. Of those that couldn't use it properly, only 1 in 5 appealed, suggesting they knew they'd messed up. Those figures are similar for any other quarter's data you care to look at.

That seems conclusive to me; the system works. 50,000 people every day are capable of navigating it correctly and paying on time.

Or, to put it another way, out of the 53,000 people, only just over 500 thought they'd been hard-done-by.

I wonder how many of them actually won their appeals?

zagubov

I did encourage some people (including me) to investigate greener LPG cars but you needed to get conversions from approved garages which were pretty thin on the ground.

A lot of people switched to mopeds which I suppose is one of the reasons that moped-related crime is now such a London thing. Or else bought cars with foreign plates. Ebay was particularly busy with that kind of sales for a while. Not totally sure the purchasers ever bothered to switch to British plates after the required time.

brianposter

Aylesbury_Duck wrote: »

Ok, I'll pick one particular quarter of last year. Of the 53,145 people who entered the zone and were eligible to be charged on the average day, 50,489 of them paid according to the rules and in the time specified. That's 95% of people managing to use the system properly. Of those that couldn't use it properly, only 1 in 5 appealed, suggesting they knew they'd messed up. Those figures are similar for any other quarter's data you care to look at.

That seems conclusive to me; the system works. 50,000 people every day are capable of navigating it correctly and paying on time.

That sort of logic is completely illusory with digital systems. The fact that 95% of customers used the system successfully tells us nothing about the other 5%.
At first sight there seems to be a massive number of people (2500+ per day) having problems with the zone, but, as I say, one could only know by looking at what is actually happening.
500 appeals also looks to be a remarkably high figure, although that might be influenced by exactly those factors which provoked the OPs complaint.


Are you sure that you have got those figures right ?