Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

fatbeetle

goral wrote: »

Post #7608

Well, as a beneficiary of the Aussie points system, having lived and worked there for 20 years before returning to Blighty, and now holding dual nationality, I would like to see your proof that the system "doesn't work".
Originally posted by fatbeetle

Thrugelmir

Same of the statistics about migration:
Definition:
E14 - EU country call "old EU" or "western Europe".
E8 - EU country join to EU on or after 2004 - "eastern Europe"
E2 - EU country join after 2007 (Bulgaria, Romania)

Economic activity by country:
EU total: Employee - 69%; Selfemployed - 12%; Unemployed - 3%; Inactive - 16%
EU14 (Western Europe): Employee - 68%, Selfemployed - 10%; Unemployed - 4%; Inactivity - 18%
EU8 (Eastern Europe): Emplpoyee - 73%; Selfemployed - 11%, Unemployed - 2%; Inactivity - 14%

For compare UK:
Employee - 65%; Selfemplyed - 10%; Unemployed - 3%; Inactivity - 21%

Data from Migration Observatory, analyses of Annual Population Survey. [University of Oxford] 2018.

What does that have to do with the Australian points system?

movilogo

You should be comparing how the UK is doing outside the EU Vs what it'd be doing inside the EU, rather than comparing it to the EU.

Have you calculated what UK would have been doing by now if it were outside EU since 1973?

Tromking

Getting_greyer wrote: »

You make a fair point but I think you miss the point I make on sovereignty being a net sum gain. We will now have full authority over our waters so GOOD, but we lose access to other things so BAD.

If we cede some authority of our waters (you see this as leverage I see it as something not too dissimilar from the CFP) it's a little bad but we gain access elsewhere so a little good so cancels out. That sums up being an EU member some things you dint like in return for stuff you do.

Now I know as non eu state we could stop access to waters whenever we wish however in practice that would mean we lose out elsewhere. I must not have explained myself properly in that post and probably in this one either but happy to discuss further if wanted.

We don’t yet know what granting EU boats access will net the U.K. in any trade off, so it’s little early to decide already that the benefits will be minimal. I’m not sure Macron for instance will want another sector of French industry donning yellow jackets and causing him problems, especially with his re-election on the horizon. Not for nothing is France asking for a 25 year deal on fish.
The U.K. is not ceding authority over our fishing grounds it is giving permission for EU boats to continue to fish on our terms.
The U.K. regaining the rights to 42% of EU waters, is not something akin to the Common Fisheries Policy, it’s a fundamental shift in power
from Brussels back to the UK.

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

We don’t yet know what granting EU boats access will net the U.K. in any trade off, so it’s little early to decide already that the benefits will be minimal.

True, but I think it'll be wrapped up in a big deal, so it's not like we'll get financial service access for fishing.

The U.K. regaining the rights to 42% of EU waters, is not something akin to the Common Fisheries Policy, it’s a fundamental shift in power from Brussels back to the UK.

And if we then give the EU ships the same access they had before, that's perfectly acceptable because the decision was solely ours?
I mean, we're still going to sell our fishing quotas to foreign fleets anyway.

Moe_The_Bartender

Herzlos wrote: »

Yet you (Brexiteers, at least) said the IMF was unreliable when they said Brexit would hurt the UK?


You're also talking about a (from memory) 0.1 percentage point difference here? Noise.


You're also comparing apples and yachts here. You should be comparing how the UK is doing outside the EU Vs what it'd be doing inside the EU, rather than comparing it to the EU.

And you remainers have been telling us since June 2016 that the economy would hit the rocks before we even left. Not a single prediction that the doomsayers made has proved correct.

Herzlos

Moe_The_Bartender wrote: »

And you remainers have been telling us since June 2016 that the economy would hit the rocks before we even left.

It did.

Not a single prediction that the doomsayers made has proved correct.

Brexit has played out pretty much as we said it would.

There are 2 predictions that were made (more or less). World war 3 (misattributed) and the recession, which we've skirted but not actually entered.

But you must know that by now.

Herzlos

movilogo wrote: »

Have you calculated what UK would have been doing by now if it were outside EU since 1973?

I dont have figures but I can only assume we'd have been much worse off. Maybe we'd have avoided such a heavy reliance on finance and still had a lot of industry, but being in the EU has done wonders for our economy.

Fran_Klee

Herzlos wrote: »

I think his point was that if you're offended by name calling, death threats should be right out.

You must mean like:

Herzlos wrote: »

We've got the nukes.

:rotfl:

adindas

Getting_greyer wrote: »

Did people notice Adindas talks absolute !!!!!!!!? I will not explain myself to you, thinking Brexit weakens the country is not scaremongering, I definitely unashamed about that.

The thing I'm ashamed about is giving you the time of day. I'm sure you're very nice in person but the way you speak to some people on this thread is disgusting. And you do it because of someone view on UK relationship with EU. As I've said before, I hope I'm wrong, only time will tell, not someone chatting !!!! on forum.

It is interesting to see how the people react when asked about the newly created profile. ....

At least I am using my original profile that was created since 2010. I have been using it to post not only the view, opinion of brexit but for other posts as well to show my integrity.

With mobile internet people could easily create a dozen of profiles without being able to be identified. I know, a few old posters here have created a new profile to hide their previous scaremongering views on brexit which has been proven to be untrue day by day. They are ashamed to acknowledge that they got it wrong. Which one you are, it is only you could know.

And well, sensible people are not giving the time of day to other posters they do not like.

Fran_Klee

Takedap wrote: »

I assume you are going to take the same approach the next time that your fellow Leave supporter starts calling for the death penalty for anyone that disagrees with him? :eek::rotfl:

What's that you said?
Show me where this "fellow remain supporter" calls for the death penalty for anyone disagreeing with him if you can because I can't find it.
I think you made it up.
Then compare your fantasy to this reality in a post in the Scots bit of this subforum:

Herzlos wrote: »

We've got the nukes.

Are you supporting such suggestions so long as they're from a fellow remain supporter?
Or is the suggestion of mass murder somehow more acceptable if it is made by a fellow remain supporter?