Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

goral

Tromking wrote: »

The ending of unfettered unskilled immigration from the EU will force businesses to invest in their staff and ergo pay them more.

The prices will rise, the value of the houses will drop, because there will be no one to rent.
The employer has full freedom in paying over minimum wages. Just like Aldi does (yes, it's a German network).
Most employees need social care, unskilled. If they start paying higher rates to these employees, then they will have to pay more for social care, e.g. by selling houses so that they can afford it.
It's just a small promile in the subject.
But as you look at statistics, EU immigrants contribute more than they receive.

With current inward migration from the EU at its lowest level since 2003 and wages rising, it looks like we are already reaping the rewards of the decision we made in 2016.

Wages ar lower then 11 years ago! Is not EU is not migration - is Conservatives austerity. And will be still after brexit!

But it is easy for immigrants to blame them.
Because nobody will take care of it seriously. But what will happen next?
The points system in Australia does not work, just as it will not work in the UK, there will still be a need for people from abroad.
Today is full of work in the UK, I employ several people myself, and I can write you exactly what it looks like and what it can look like after Brexit.
For me, Brexit will mean the end of my current business activities. I can do it, I can handle it, but how do people who work for me?
How many companies will disappear after Brexit? How many companies will shrink?
And you write that employers will invest in employees and raise rates? How will the people of the unemployed at UC with the eviction thread , foodbanks ect?
But: Yes it will be definitely a paradise in the UK for employees after Brexit. Wages will be duble or triple. All people will be young and healthy... yes, make brexit done...

Tromking

Unskilled EU migration, usually from Eastern Europe costs the U.K. around £3bn a year and is only offset by inward EU skilled migration from other countries such as France, who’s citizens do not tend to immediately access in work benefits as Eastern European’s tend to do.
The trick going forward for the U.K. will be to continue to encourage skilled migrants from around world to still come here and contribute, yet end (or greatly control) the unskilled migration which acts as a drag on wages and productivity and is a drain on the U.K. welfare bill.

Thrugelmir

goral wrote: »

Wages ar lower then 11 years ago! Is not EU is not migration - is Conservatives austerity. And will be still after brexit!

Wages are earnt through productive activity. Not Government hand outs.

goral

Tromking wrote: »

Unskilled EU migration, usually from Eastern Europe costs the U.K. around £3bn a year and is only offset by inward EU skilled migration from other countries such as France, who’s citizens do not tend to immediately access in work benefits as Eastern European’s tend to do.
The trick going forward for the U.K. will be to continue to encourage skilled migrants from around world to still come here and contribute, yet end (or greatly control) the unskilled migration which acts as a drag on wages and productivity and is a drain on the U.K. welfare bill.

Any proof? Any statistics? Or is it again news created in the pub?

fatbeetle

goral wrote: »

The points system in Australia does not work, just as it will not work in the UK, there will still be a need for people from abroad.
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Well, as a beneficiary of the Aussie points system, having lived and worked there for 20 years before returning to Blighty, and now holding dual nationality, I would like to see your proof that the system "doesn't work".

Tromking

goral wrote: »

Any proof? Any statistics? Or is it again news created in the pub?

I don’t make stuff up , unlike your posts which seem to be heavy on project fear assertions, most of which were debunked months if not years ago.
I note your casual xenophobia with you last remark.

goral

fatbeetle wrote: »

Well, as a beneficiary of the Aussie points system, having lived and worked there for 20 years before returning to Blighty, and now holding dual nationality, I would like to see your proof that the system "doesn't work".

Post #7608

Thrugelmir

Same of the statistics about migration:
Definition:
E14 - EU country call "old EU" or "western Europe".
E8 - EU country join to EU on or after 2004 - "eastern Europe"
E2 - EU country join after 2007 (Bulgaria, Romania)

Economic activity by country:
EU total: Employee - 69%; Selfemployed - 12%; Unemployed - 3%; Inactive - 16%
EU14 (Western Europe): Employee - 68%, Selfemployed - 10%; Unemployed - 4%; Inactivity - 18%
EU8 (Eastern Europe): Emplpoyee - 73%; Selfemployed - 11%, Unemployed - 2%; Inactivity - 14%

For compare UK:
Employee - 65%; Selfemplyed - 10%; Unemployed - 3%; Inactivity - 21%

Data from Migration Observatory, analyses of Annual Population Survey. [University of Oxford] 2018.

Tromking

goral wrote: »

Post #7608

Thrugelmir

Same of the statistics about migration:
Definition:
E14 - EU country call "old EU" or "western Europe".
E8 - EU country join to EU on or after 2004 - "eastern Europe"
E2 - EU country join after 2007 (Bulgaria, Romania)

Economic activity by country:
EU total: Employee - 69%; Selfemployed - 12%; Unemployed - 3%; Inactive - 16%
EU14 (Western Europe): Employee - 68%, Selfemployed - 10%; Unemployed - 4%; Inactivity - 18%
EU8 (Eastern Europe): Emplpoyee - 73%; Selfemployed - 11%, Unemployed - 2%; Inactivity - 14%

For compare UK:
Employee - 65%; Selfemplyed - 10%; Unemployed - 3%; Inactivity - 21%

Data from Migration Observatory, analyses of Annual Population Survey. [University of Oxford] 2018.

.......and your conclusions are?

phillw

Tromking wrote: »

The ending of unfettered unskilled immigration from the EU will force businesses to invest in their staff and ergo pay them more.

No, it won't. Depending on the business they will either outsource to other countries, or hire illegal workers. Some will be able to pay people less, because they know their employees can't just up and leave for another EU country.

All the things we've given up to give you the chance to force people to do things won't happen.

Tromking wrote: »

On the issue of fishing, if the U.K. decides as part of a FTA negotiation to issue fishing rights to EU boats in return for concessions elsewhere, it’s not ceding sovereignty, it’s using its new found Sovereignty to leverage a better deal for the UK.
Basic stuff this.

But still a worse deal than staying in the EU. On all counts, with no exceptions. It just eases the people who are paranoid about foreigners controlling them. I think a lot of leavers will be upset about foreigners fishing in the water we claim belongs to us, but like all land/sea is just stolen from nature.

goral

Tromking wrote: »

.......and your conclusions are?

To yours post #7615
But you even don't remember what you just write?
I give you figures, where is yours?
You write something you can't prove
just what you write about probably came out in a local pub.