Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

adindas

Tromking wrote: »

Wow, the mental gymnastics some people go through in their desperation to propagate the myth that the U.K. does not regain any worthwhile form of autonomy post Brexit.
On the issue of fishing, if the U.K. decides as part of a FTA negotiation to issue fishing rights to EU boats in return for concessions elsewhere, it’s not ceding sovereignty, it’s using its new found Sovereignty to leverage a better deal for the UK.
Basic stuff this.

[FONT=&quot]People could easily see that the remoaners are so desperate.
- They wanted to handover the fishing right of the UK water without knowing what the UK will get in return
- They wanted the UK to hand over money without knowing what the UK will get in return. Keep in mind Divorce settlement is not in the treaty.
- They wanted to give unilateral right to the EU citizen without knowing what the UK will get in return
- They wanted to remove the threat of no-deal.
- They keep fighting to reverse Brexit. Every government movement that will strengthen the UK negotiation, they try to block it. How many Court challenges, Voting in the parliaments. They did eveything to make sure that all of the power that could be used to negotiate to be removed.

No wonder there is a call for a public enquiry for these people for a possibility of a treason act.

It is the same thing with fight. During the fight someone you know hold your hands during the fight while your opponent keep punching and kicking you. If this thing did happen to you could you win the fight??? Would you ever forgive the person someone you know who did that to you ??

[/FONT][FONT=&quot] It does not need a shrewd negotiator to see that if you agree all of these things, what do you think the leverage the UK will have in the negotiation table ???[/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Just look at how the swiss people, swiss parliament, the swiss media are united against the EU bullying. Thanks god that the UK is much more powerful and more influential than Switzerland. The UK economy is overwhelmingly a service economy which by nature is borderless.
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[FONT=&quot]Just think about if the EU try to impose the same sanction to what they have done to Switzerland and the UK retaliate by banning all of the EU countries blue chips stocks to be traded overnight? Could people not see what damage this will cause to the EU economy overnight??[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Just look at how the swiss people are united in their negotiation with the EU. The difference with the UK is that Switzerland do not have a traitor, while the UK have a lot of them[/FONT][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot], yet to be try in the court.[/FONT][/FONT]

fewgroats

How can we transition without losing our ability to question the fishing rights and so on? (At least as far as this year is concerned). As with anything, there's no point arguing, everything will come out, good or bad.

adindas

Getting_greyer wrote: »

I'm not demonising Brexit. I think it's a bad idea and I'm worried we have weakened the country with our decision. I hope I'm wrong and it's a success. I just call out that which I think is ridiculous, such as lobbying being called traitorous.

I think I can see your angle; parliament voted for A50 so any frustration against is in effect blocking the will of parliament? But A50 merely triggers the 2 years notice period. It isn't illegal to revoke that decision, just as it isn't illegal to extend, lobby both negotiating sides or such. Parliament could have technically ignored the result of the referendum if it wanted to - it wasn't legally binding. Any secret and "illegal" negotiations didn't work, the biggest hindrance to Brexit has so far been calling an election in 2017. That made us look more stupid than any visits to Barnier that Nick Clegg did.

But we're out in a few days, I suspect you're rejoicing that and, as I said before, I remain sceptical. Brexit may turn out to be the biggest success story but as it stands there is a sizable portion of this country that are deeply worried about it. Throwing the nearest web link at someone is unlikely to allay their fears. And that works vice versa.

Ultimately in the main, there are two differing views on this thread. Both wish to see our country prosper just different idea how we should do it. One of those views has one the political argument and we are progressing down that route, it doesn't mean you cant be critical of it. So no, I'm not demonising brexit.

Did people notice here that Getting greyer profile was created on January 2020.

Few old posters here have created a new profile to hide their previous scaremongering views on brexit which has been proven to be untrue day by day. They are to ashamed to acknowledge that they got it wrong.

goral

fewgroats wrote: »

As with anything, there's no point arguing, everything will come out, good or bad.

There is no good or bad, it is only bad.
If there is something good, give an example of how positively it will affect the life of an ordinary citizen?

So far, apart from catchy slogans, there are no specific examples of what will be good.

gfplux

I believe an immigration points system will be in the news this morning.
This is an analysis of the Australian points system by Politico from a few months ago.
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In the 2017-18 financial year, the last year for which statistics are available, Australia, which has a population of about 25 million, granted 68,111 points-based visas. Compare that to the more than 3 million temporary visas granted, not counting those for tourists, including 378,292 for students, 210,456 for those on working holidays and 64,470 temporary skilled visas; plus 1.9 million visas for New Zealanders, who are allowed to visit, work and live in Australia — the country's own version of free movement.
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Read it all here https://www.politico.eu/article/australia-immigration-system-migration-brexit-boris-johnson/?utm_source=POLITICO.EU&utm_campaign=97e60f1a4b-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_01_28_07_04&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_10959edeb5-97e60f1a4b-190026745

Tromking

gfplux wrote: »

I believe an immigration points system will be in the news this morning.
This is an analysis of the Australian points system by Politico from a few months ago.
QUOTE
In the 2017-18 financial year, the last year for which statistics are available, Australia, which has a population of about 25 million, granted 68,111 points-based visas. Compare that to the more than 3 million temporary visas granted, not counting those for tourists, including 378,292 for students, 210,456 for those on working holidays and 64,470 temporary skilled visas; plus 1.9 million visas for New Zealanders, who are allowed to visit, work and live in Australia — the country's own version of free movement.
END QUOTE

Read it all here https://www.politico.eu/article/australia-immigration-system-migration-brexit-boris-johnson/?utm_source=POLITICO.EU&utm_campaign=97e60f1a4b-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_01_28_07_04&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_10959edeb5-97e60f1a4b-190026745

What has the way Australia chooses to run its immigration system got to do with the UK?
You think that by opting for a Aussie ‘style’ system we will somehow mirror the choices they make?

gfplux

Tromking wrote: »

What has the way Australia chooses to run its immigration system got to do with the UK?
You think that by opting for a Aussie ‘style’ system we will somehow mirror the choices they make?

No.
However the Australian points system has often been pointed out as a possible blue print for a uk one.

gfplux

This is the Governments announcement today of the new immigration system.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-immigration-system-what-you-need-to-know?utm_source=855f4622-ce3a-496a-8479-ff57130827f9&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=govuk-notifications&utm_content=immediate

Tromking

goral wrote: »

There is no good or bad, it is only bad.
If there is something good, give an example of how positively it will affect the life of an ordinary citizen?

So far, apart from catchy slogans, there are no specific examples of what will be good.

The ending of unfettered unskilled immigration from the EU will force businesses to invest in their staff and ergo pay them more.
With current inward migration from the EU at its lowest level since 2003 and wages rising, it looks like we are already reaping the rewards of the decision we made in 2016.

Tromking

gfplux wrote: »

No.
However the Australian points system has often been pointed out as a possible blue print for a uk one.

Yeah I know.
Just trying to work out why you think their choices and priorities for inward migration are relevant to the U.K.