Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Tromking

Goral is in a 2016/7 time warp.

adindas

You are preaching a lot about brexit but you even do not know the very basic fact about brexit such as the UK is the second net largest contributors to the EU budget.

Even your fellow remoaners will be embarrassing to see someone who argue a lot against Brexit was asking that question. There are tons of information regarding this statistical fact available online.

Staying in the EU for the UK in the current stage is the most silly thing to do. Keep paying, but still be ruled by the EU (through ECJ, quota, can not trade by yourself). But for former eastern block of course it is the brightest thing to do. When the money is running out they could just pull out, is it not obvious ??

goral wrote: »

But, UK is free and independent already! So, is brexit sell something you already own/have?

All power is in UK government. But any deal means you give something for something. Same under WTO rules. There are still rules, and UK government must comply with this rules, even UK government does not decide on these principles and does not choose them.

British people voted for EU government! UK along France and Germany was rule maker in EU. So, more of this rules in EU is British made!
And after brexit, if you want make deal within EU zone you still must comply with EU law in all aspects. You still need comply with EU regulations, norms ect. What's more, EU norms are world wide recognise as very high standards. So, if UK will not make deal with EU and wants make deal with rest of te worlds, and not comply with EU norms, then UK will be like second grade partner.

So:
1. British people vote for EU parlament
2. People in UK only elected British government.
3. British make law for Britain, but this law can not be contradictory with EU law in previously agreed issues.
4. UK is rule maker in EU.
5. EU government is only with trade not military.
6. UK have strict border policy in EU. You still need show passport at border. UK is not member of Schengen area.
7. EU trade on WTO rules with many country
8. WTO is organisation, that you mast comply with WTO rules.
9. There is no any election for British people to choice WTO representatives.
10. Under WTO British government will give up some power to WTO rules.

All these points are existing now!

So my question is again: What will be better after brexit?

Herzlos

Spiv wrote: »

Seriously. Who cares about any of that? Come next week we will be a free and independent country. Not just a state in the United States of Europe.

All that freedom is going to taste great on the table of those who lose their jobs.

adindas

Herzlos wrote: »

All that freedom is going to taste great on the table of those who lose their jobs.

Those who do not want to adapt with new environment will lose job, business. Those could adapt will have new opportunities. That is the nature of competition.

In any business people will need to adapt to a new environment. The theory of natural selection was introduced by Charles Darwin since ages (1809–1882)

"Charles Darwin (1809–1882) and others, stating that all species
of organisms arise and develop through the natural selection of small, inherited variations that increase the individual's ability to compete, survive, and reproduce. "

The EU free movement project is actually counterproductive as prioritising the EU people will not encourage the global competition. Similarly to single market, as EU single market is a very protective market. No Noble prize winner in economics will ever in favour of the protective Market.

Just see how the US has managed to attract the most competitive, the richest people on earth, CEOs, scientists. Many of them are not born in the US. Just few to name :

Richest people on earth: Sergey Brin, Thomas Peterffy, Igor Krutoy, Elon Musk, Rupert Murdoch, Roman Abramovich,

CEO: Sundar Pichai, Inge Thulin, Indra Nooyi, Stanley Bergman

Scientist: Abhijit Banerjee, Esther Duflo, Tim Berner Lee, M. Stanley Whittingham.

With European free movement you get all types of people the best, the good and the ugly. With EU free movement you also get Romanian/Bulgarian Gypsies, you get those who can not compete in their own countries. As they are not competitive enough they will just be working for a few years and then later they will depend on benefit for the rest of their life.

triathlon

I try my hardest not to get involved in all these Brexit debates, everyone on both sides of the argument is an "expert".
But what is lovely since the last general election is the end of all that tripe in the media constantly battling every day, silence is now beautiful.

I voted Remain, but either way the UK was always going to be OK

buglawton

Herzlos wrote: »

All that freedom is going to taste great on the table of those who lose their jobs.

On that basis, on the tables of minus 208,000 people, it's already tasting finger lickin' good:

https://www.cityam.com/uk-jobs-market-stays-in-good-shape-as-bank-of-england-mulls-rate-cut/

(In the 3 months to November 2019) the number of people in work rose by 208,000, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said. This was the best growth since the three months to January 2019 and well above analysts’ expectations

And that was before the almost certain upcoming 'Boris Bounce'. Prospect of FOM changes - has not discouraged anyone.

goral

adindas wrote: »

Those who do not want to adapt with new environment will lose job, business. Those could adapt will have new opportunities. That is the nature of competition.

Give me an example of the opportunity you will have after Brexit and which you do not have now.

What opportunity will have a company that has been producing for 20 years in the EU and employed 40 people?

Have you ever run a company or have you always been just a regular full-time employee?
Maybe you are already retired, and you just don't care, because you had a good life as part of the EU?

100% of brexit supporter can't say any new opportunity they will be have after brexit, but they say this every time.
So brexit must be pink unicorn!

I'm really surprise, so many British people buy this scam call brexit!
And still thing it will be fantastic!
But, what happen to "Yellow hamer"? No more existing? Or is just too dark and depression so is better believing in pink unicorn?

adindas

[FONT=&quot]A good start at least you are not asking a proof again that UK is the second net largest contributors to the EU budget, Embarrassing for a person who preach a lot about Brexit ?? lol[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]As previously mentioned, I will not be answering any personal question.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Brexit is a mandate from the referendum. It is a democratic process. Democracy is priceless, no money could buy. In the past people will need to shed blood for this cause. Also, not to mention, free from ECJ.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]As previously mentioned the centre of Brexit is a democratic process and not about opportunity. But [/FONT][FONT=&quot]just to please you answering your question:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]- When you suddenly have money in your pocket is it not an opportunity?? Opportunity to stimulate economy, new infrastructure, etc[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]- When a country could do direct trading by its own with other countries without intermediary I it not an opportunity? No more EU political quota. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]- Opportunity in fishing industries.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I do not remember anyone ever argue that with Brexit there is no short-term impact on the UK. But keep in mind the impact is also on the EU. Moreover, Brexit is about a long-term benefit, not short term[/FONT]

goral wrote: »

Give me an example of the opportunity you will have after Brexit and which you do not have now.

What opportunity will have a company that has been producing for 20 years in the EU and employed 40 people?

Have you ever run a company or have you always been just a regular full-time employee?
Maybe you are already retired, and you just don't care, because you had a good life as part of the EU?

100% of brexit supporter can't say any new opportunity they will be have after brexit, but they say this every time.
So brexit must be pink unicorn!

I'm really surprise, so many British people buy this scam call brexit!
And still thing it will be fantastic!
But, what happen to "Yellow hamer"? No more existing? Or is just too dark and depression so is better believing in pink unicorn?

borntobefree

goral wrote: »

But, UK is free and independent already! So, is brexit sell something you already own/have?

All power is in UK government. But any deal means you give something for something. Same under WTO rules. There are still rules, and UK government must comply with this rules, even UK government does not decide on these principles and does not choose them.

British people voted for EU government! UK along France and Germany was rule maker in EU. So, more of this rules in EU is British made!
And after brexit, if you want make deal within EU zone you still must comply with EU law in all aspects. You still need comply with EU regulations, norms ect. What's more, EU norms are world wide recognise as very high standards. So, if UK will not make deal with EU and wants make deal with rest of te worlds, and not comply with EU norms, then UK will be like second grade partner.

So:
1. British people vote for EU parlament
2. People in UK only elected British government.
3. British make law for Britain, but this law can not be contradictory with EU law in previously agreed issues.
4. UK is rule maker in EU.
5. EU government is only with trade not military.
6. UK have strict border policy in EU. You still need show passport at border. UK is not member of Schengen area.
7. EU trade on WTO rules with many country
8. WTO is organisation, that you mast comply with WTO rules.
9. There is no any election for British people to choice WTO representatives.
10. Under WTO British government will give up some power to WTO rules.

All these points are existing now!

So my question is again: What will be better after brexit?

I am a Remoaner. But even I get / accept that the majority of the British people want to be an independent country and don’t want to be a state in the United States of Europe.

They don’t want to vote for a European Parliament. They don’t want to live in a federal system. They don’t want laws not made in Britain by British courts. They don’t want to make EU rules because they don’t want to belong to a federal system.

The EU want their own army. Eventually they will want a unified tax system. Slowly, power will be sucked away from every single country to the centre in Brussels. That’s what Federalism is. As a Remainer as I was happy to live with that. Brexiteers aren’t.

So after Brexit we won’t be part of a federal system of government and that’s what will be better.

borntobefree

Herzlos wrote: »

All that freedom is going to taste great on the table of those who lose their jobs.

I’m sure if you really want to Leave it already does. Kowtowing doesn’t feel that great does it? Even as a Remainer I hated the way the EU treated Cameron and don’t even mention how they treated May. In recent years Britain seems to have had no influence in the EU anyways, so I guess we’ve lost nothing in that regard.