Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

mayonnaise

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Corbyn is going to have to get his backside off the fence. Unless it intends to remain the party of indecision.

I prefer an indecisive fence sitter over a decisive Leaver.

Thrugelmir

mayonnaise wrote: »

I prefer an indecisive fence sitter over a decisive Leaver.

It's the undecided's that need convincing not the faithfull herd.

MaxiRobriguez

I worry as a social democrat that Labour are going to get tonked on a combination of Brexit demands and anti Corbyn sentiment.

Much as it'll get laughed at here, the very fabric of our modern society has been built on a social democrat platform. A decisive Tory majority which implements a hard Brexit with torn up worker rights and privatisation deals of UK public institutions would irreparably change this country which for the most part is decent, civilised and fair.

I hope that change is anticipated by people, because if it comes as an unwanted surprise, there will be no going back. People are angry enough with the state of affairs now, I don't want it to drag on in the public domain for the next 50 years.

CKhalvashi

fewgroats wrote: »

No party will have more than 300 seats after the election, not with the Brexit problems. My prediction is:

Lab 275
Con 230
SNP 35
Lib 35
Brexit 0

Keep telling yourself Corbyn can't win though. Why bother hustling? Put your feet up, open a bottle of wine...

I don't think your split is necessarily right, however I do fully believe that you are correct in no party having more than 300 seats.

I can see Con/Lab each having somewhere between 240 and 280 seats, Brexit Party 0 and the rest going elsewhere.

It's going to depend on a number of factors and as yet we know nothing, however my gut tells me that Corbyn will be leading a minority government needing significant support from LD/SNP, neither of whom will go into coalition with him. This is naturally going to tone his plans down a lot.

I am a firm believer that some of his economic strategies could be successful and viable if done in the right way, however I don't believe that on his own he is the right person to do it.

On the Brexit front, I agree with Rees-Mogg in saying we need a confirmatory referendum on any terms agreed.

I will not be voting for either the Conservatives or Labour.

Thrugelmir

MaxiRobriguez wrote: »

privatisation deals of UK public institutions would irreparably change this country which for the most part is decent, civilised and fair.

What's left of any value to privatise ?

Majority of the country's major assets are already foreign owned......

As for social fabric it's coming apart. Drugs, people trafficking etc already putting huge pressure on available resources.

MaxiRobriguez

Thrugelmir wrote: »

What's left of any value to privatise ?

The NHS, semi decent social care, prisons...

BobQ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Remember the days when people had jobs/careers before entering politics......... MP's of all parties were better for it. As brought something with them of value.

I recall those days too when these same MPs spent most of the day at their real jobs, allegedly to maintain their expertise in law, accountancy, medicine, tax consultancy, or whatever.

elliotwave

MaxiRobriguez wrote: »

Tory majority which implements a hard Brexit with torn up worker rights and privatisation deals of UK public institutions would irreparably change this country which for the most part is decent, civilised and fair.

Please explain how you haven't fallen for the doom-mongers of project fear?

Workers rights out of the EU would not be materially different from before.

Privatisation meaning effectively globalisation? So you are anti-globalist? You want a return to nationalism and away from globalism?

Arklight

elliotwave wrote: »

Please explain how you haven't fallen for the doom-mongers of project fear?

Workers rights out of the EU would not be materially different from before.

Privatisation meaning effectively globalisation? So you are anti-globalist? You want a return to nationalism and away from globalism?

Considering the substantive difference with Johnson's newly negotiated deal is that it's intentionally dropped any reference to protecting worker's rights, no they will not be the same.

You can have a functioning nationalised rail system and still remain part of the global economy. Considering most of ours is owned by other countries state railways I'd have thought that was evident.

gfplux

I don’t have a vote.
After this GE the pundits and the politicians will declare the following just as they did last time.
Brexit positive party’s Conservative, Brexit and Labour = X%
Parties Against Brexit Lib Dem’s, Greens and SNP = Y%

“Therefore the vast majority of British people want Brexit.”

Unless people give up their tribes Brexit will be done.