Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Sailtheworld

Farage playing games and saying an election pact with the Tories is essential.

What a clown. He knows he's on course for between 0 and 3 seats and would prefer not to field candidates to save himself the embarrassment. If, in the event of a Tory majority, he can then pretend it was all down to him. He's a bit of a Captain Obvious.

Naming your party after something which people are thoroughly sick of probably wasn't the wisest move either.

Zero_Gravitas

Well, it’s the first of November and as far as I can tell, the riots and public disorder that leavers promised us if we didn’t leave on 31 October hasn’t actually happened. I have to say that I’m particularly disappointed that the liar Boris Johnson hasn’t kept his promise of being dead in a ditch and that Mark Francois has not actually exploded.

Oh wait - you don’t think it could have been some sort of leaver project fear?

Takedap

Thrugelmir wrote: »

What's left of any value to privatise ?

MaxiRobriguez wrote: »

The NHS, semi decent social care, prisons...

Could be a useful part of our tremendous deal with our new partners. Private prisons in the US pay anything between 63c & $2 an hour doing forced labour. That'll help when all those pesky foreigners stop coming here.
Maybe we could kill two birds with one stone & get the prisoners to work in the care homes too?
But we might get the same problem as the US for-profit prison owners where they had to sue the Government because they weren't incarcerating enough people & they ended up short of [STRIKE]slaves[/STRIKE] workers?

mayonnaise

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

...and that Mark Francois has not actually exploded.

You sure about that?

mayonnaise

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

Well, it’s the first of November and as far as I can tell, the riots and public disorder that leavers promised us if we didn’t leave on 31 October hasn’t actually happened.

Not so soon...it still could happen...

A 52-YEAR-OLD man his peeking out the window every 10 minutes to see if the riots have begun on his road.

Roy Hobbs, from Bedford, is still unsure whether he will hide or join in but has confirmed he definitely wants advance notice so he can get his car in the garage first.

He said: “Nothing yet. Thought I heard the sound of a nation erupting in fury from over near the roundabout, but it was just a crow.

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/man-keeps-peeking-out-widow-to-see-if-riots-have-started-yet-20191031181392
:rotfl:

Thrugelmir

Sailtheworld wrote: »

This sort of non-too subtle blame game is the problem. Ownership of assets is just being used as cover

Where does the profit on the assets flow. Far more important than a notional GDP figure.

Herzlos

Malthusian wrote: »

I thought those old people were meant to be all dead by now.

No, just enough to skew the vote from Leave to Remain.

RyanEzio wrote: »

I've been taught if you want something, you have work for it and not rely on a begging bowl. Live within your means. I expect the goverment to do that also.

The Tory approach of punishing the poor / disabled / temporarily unemployed is actually hindering them getting work. It also seems to be costing more to do than it saves.



Working for it is fine, if you've been given sufficient help in the first place - there's plenty of studies showing than poverty is one of the biggest factors in success - if you grow up poor you've got everything against you. I've got a good, well paying job and should probably vote Tory, but I can acknowledge that I didn't get here purely off my own back.

Labour always have soundbites about the NHS every single election. "TORIES ARE DESTROYING THE NHS" .. but guess what, it's still here.. It's ridiculous , it's become a political weapon.

The NHS is on it's knees - have you spoken to anyone who's used or worked in it recently? Doctors are screaming out against the Tories pointless austerity. Waiting times are flying up, appointments are being cancelled, staff are overworked, facilities are closing. This is all textbook privitisation btw, underfund until it fails then sell it off to "save it". Just because it still sort of works doesn't mean it'll keep going given the trajectory.

The NHS is not going to be sold to the US. Do people really believe this?

The NHS want it, the Tories don't want it and have refused to rule it out. Any deal with the US will involve them insisting on access to it (which is why the TTIP failed - the EU said no).

Plus, I think the conservaties are best to deal with Brexit. Get the deal over the line and move on to the next stage.

It depends on what you want from Brexit, but the Tories have had 3.5 years to solve it now and where are we? Barely off the starting line.


I'd like to see the Tories continue with Brexit since it's their mess from start to finish, and then we can hand over to someone else to clean up.

phillw

mayonnaise wrote: »

Not so soon...it still could happen...

I can't wait to see Farage crying in the back of a police van.

RyanEzio wrote: »

I've been taught if you want something, you have work for it and not rely on a begging bowl.

I think you misunderstood. If you're conservative then if you want something then con someone out of it, but why do you want anything anyway? Didn't you inherit it?

mayonnaise

Farage on R4 a bit earlier saying he'd only go into an alliance with the Cons if they dropped BJ's deal. Good stuff.

Sailtheworld

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Where does the profit on the assets flow. Far more important than a notional GDP figure.

Dunno. Where does it flow? Is there a reasonable measurement and why is it better than GDP for assessing the effect of brexit.

I'll stick with GDP thanks. Profit on asset flow sounds like a preferred metric for those who aren't that bothered about knowing if brexit is good or bad for the economy.