Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Sailtheworld

Thrugelmir wrote: »

It's the undecided's that need convincing not the faithfull herd.

For the undecideds this election is even more difficult than 2017. I didn't decide until I was in the polling booth with pencil in hand and I bet I was far from being alone. I reckon there will be even more in that situation this time.

I think Boris may well manage a majority but, no matter what the polls say, he'll be bricking it right up to 10pm on election night - maybe even longer and so will the Tory faithful. It's a comfort of sorts but you have to find joy where you can.

BobQ

Tromking wrote: »

Its the job of a party leader to form a government, only when he/she has the confidence of the house does he/she become PM.
We don't vote for Primeministers directly.
The situation we had was that we had a functioning Government that lost its hobbled together majority, and the house refused its longstanding duty to vote it down and instead chose to inflict on the country a period of complete stasis.
Nothing wrong with scrutiny of the Executive, however when that scrutiny ends the life of a Government, Parliament must follow convention and act accordingly.
Good to see that fact finally hit home yesterday.

Its the job of a PM to form a Government. This Government was always a minority government from 2017 which required it to compromise and create a Government from the elected MPs that has the confidence of the house. Saying, we are a minority and will govern as if we are a majority is not following convention, it is just abrogating its responsibility.

Had May not set out just to unify her party but tried to govern as a minority she would have still been PM. For example, she could have decided to join EFTA and take the long term view that if re-elected in 2022 with a majority she could move further from the EU. Alright, EFTA would not satisfy everyone but she could have argued it was Brexit and with a majority she would finish the job as the purists on the right would want.

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BobQ

Con 270
Lab 245
Lib Dem 60
Brexit 15
SNP 40
Other 20


There are many difficult factors

Does Brexit Party compete against Tories?
Will LD/Green and Nats do any deals?
How much of an issue will Brexit turn out to be?
Will Trump stop interfering
Will Workington man really vote Tory
Will Boris be found out
How much tactical voting happens
Will the public forget about austerity

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

Will Trump stop interfering

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Perhaps we'd be better off giving the same media coverage in the UK to Trump as the US does to our politics.

Sailtheworld

Thrugelmir wrote: »

What's left of any value to privatise ?

Majority of the country's major assets are already foreign owned......

As for social fabric it's coming apart. Drugs, people trafficking etc already putting huge pressure on available resources.

Love it. Three unrelated statements strung together to try and sell a narrative.

The country's assets have been sold off, mainly to foreigners and social fabric is falling apart. Make of that what you will.

This sort of non-too subtle blame game is the problem. Ownership of assets is just being used as cover

Sailtheworld

BobQ wrote: »

Con 270
Lab 245
Lib Dem 60
Brexit 15
SNP 40
Other 20


There are many difficult factors

Does Brexit Party compete against Tories?
Will LD/Green and Nats do any deals?
How much of an issue will Brexit turn out to be?
Will Trump stop interfering
Will Workington man really vote Tory
Will Boris be found out
How much tactical voting happens
Will the public forget about austerity

A couple of others factors.

The weather - older (and therefore more Tory/ Brexity) voters are usually quite committed....in May. Are they going to be quite so keen to vote in December? Is anyone?

The NHS. Around the time of the vote it'll be time for the most predictable event of the year; the NHS winter crisis. It still seems to be a surprise to politicians that we have winter every year and it leads to increased demand.

Sailtheworld

Thrugelmir wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Perhaps we'd be better off giving the same media coverage in the UK to Trump as the US does to our politics.

The media only report what comes out of his mouth.

We'd be better off if foreign powers didn't try to interfere in the UK's election process. Parliament hasn't been dissolved yet so electioneering hasn't officially started but I'd hope Trump would keep his snout out. He won't of course.

phillw

Sailtheworld wrote: »

The weather - older (and therefore more Tory/ Brexity) voters are usually quite committed....in May. Are they going to be quite so keen to vote in December? Is anyone?

The money that bought brexit will be used to ferry the old people to the polling stations.

That will be the last benefit they get from voting to leave, so they should take it.

Malthusian

phillw wrote: »

The money that bought brexit will be used to ferry the old people to the polling stations.

I thought those old people were meant to be all dead by now.

Is the money that bought Brexit despite being outgunned five to one by taxpayer's money also going to be used to reanimate them Frankenstein-style long enough to cast a vote?

RyanEzio

I am voting Conservative. I've always voted for the Tories.


I've been taught if you want something, you have work for it and not rely on a begging bowl. Live within your means. I expect the goverment to do that also.



Labour always have soundbites about the NHS every single election. "TORIES ARE DESTROYING THE NHS" .. but guess what, it's still here.. It's ridiculous , it's become a political weapon.



The NHS is not going to be sold to the US. Do people really believe this?



Plus, I think the conservaties are best to deal with Brexit. Get the deal over the line and move on to the next stage.