Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Herzlos

buglawton wrote: »

So we're back at square one again after 3.5 years? The EU can dictate any deal it likes to the UK, including legal and economic annexation of part of it. Because a vocal portion of the British public is scared rigid of the unpredictable future?

We never actually left square one. The UK as the far smaller party was always going to have to take it or leave it, and was never going to be able to dictate terms to the much larger EU.



Very few people are "scared rigid of the unpredictable future" as you put it, but just don't want to move from something that works well for us into something that no-one can convince us will make us any better off.
If you can convince us that Brexit will yield any benefits, then maybe we can get on board. We've had 3.5 years of shifting goalposts and soundbites but no actual details or benefits.

Moby

https://www.ft.com/content/30c58758-e91e-11e9-a240-3b065ef5fc55

Red tape bill for UK-EU trade under no-deal Brexit set to hit £15bn a year

Conina

Moby wrote: »

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-economy-brexit-boris-johnson-institute-fiscal-studies-growth-exports-a9146386.html

Tell us how you personally are worse off?

In the real world pay since the referendum is increasing faster than inflation and more people are working to take advantage of those wages, not to mention they're paying less tax so let's have your answer please.

Conina

Moby wrote: »

https://www.ft.com/content/30c58758-e91e-11e9-a240-3b065ef5fc55

Red tape bill for UK-EU trade under no-deal Brexit set to hit £15bn a year

Perhaps you could read the very first comment under that report & answer the question?

If every one of these businesses, which number around 560,000, was assumed to be affected by Brexit (unlikely to be the case), this would suggest that the average cost was around £27k per business, or effectively one full time employee doing nothing but compiling data to enter onto forms to comply with the new requirements, all day every day. This is, at the very least, stretching credulity to its limits. What am I missing?

That's by somebody called Pieceofthejigsaw using the figures used in the so-called "assessment".

Herzlos

Conina wrote: »

Perhaps you could read the very first comment under that report & answer the question?

It could easily cost an additional FTE to deal with all of the extra paperwork depending on how much import/export is needed.



Have you tried filling out import/export paperwork? It's a nightmare.

Conina

Herzlos wrote: »

It could easily cost an additional FTE to deal with all of the extra paperwork depending on how much import/export is needed.



Have you tried filling out import/export paperwork? It's a nightmare.

Rubbish and yes I dealt with import/export paperwork on a regular basis; it's only a nightmare if a) you aren't used to doing it. or b) if you don't have the intelligence to follow simple instructions. I guess from your reply that we know which category you fall into.

Moby

Conina wrote: »

Tell us how you personally are worse off?

In the real world pay since the referendum is increasing faster than inflation and more people are working to take advantage of those wages, not to mention they're paying less tax so let's have your answer please.

I prefer to believe the figures of the IFS rather than anonymous anecdotes from strangers.

Conina

Moby wrote: »

I prefer to believe the figures of the IFS rather than anonymous anecdotes from strangers.

I take it then you can't answer? "Tell us how you personally are worse off?"

I prefer to believe the pound in my pocket to the random imagination of supposed experts that so far get very, very few of their sums right as said by many who know much more than we do.

Thrugelmir

Conina wrote: »

In the real world pay since the referendum is increasing faster than inflation and more people are working to take advantage of those wages, not to mention they're paying less tax so let's have your answer please.

Pay isn't increasing faster than inflation for many. Statistics hide all sorts of variables i.e. capped Public Sector increases. Increases in minimum wage distorts figures as well.

Conina

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Pay isn't increasing faster than inflation for many. Statistics hide all sorts of variables i.e. capped Public Sector increases. Increases in minimum wage distorts figures as well.

"Increases" you say, and if you take those with the rising point at which income tax is deducted they don't together make some of the poorest better off?

I get your point but the reality is that the ridiculous sum invented by the IFS is just that, ridiculous because it;'s money that has never actually existed. That's why Moby can't explain why he's (not) worse off.