Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

qwert_yuiop

Herzlos wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance


They believe it'll benefit them in some undefined ways and can't comprehend that it just might not go to plan. Experts are either wrong or corrupt. Facts are "Project Fear". Everything will just be alright if we sing "Rule Britannia" enthusiastically enough, I mean, we survived the war right? Obviously not many of us that are alive now did, but it's still the same idea, they had a great time on rations didn't they?

I’ve heard this daft argument that we’ve been through worse before and survived, such as the First World War. Ignoring the fact that several million did not survive the First World War, spending four years in a hole in the ground in France with the German army trying to kill you is not setting the bar very high. And none of this brexit nonsense was needed.

Herzlos

Oh I agree, but there's a certain romanticism to the post-war (WW2 anyway, no-one would remember the WW1 recover first-hand) period from the boomers who grew up in it. TV/Movies were all about the war or recovery showing us as glorious heroes, they don't remember the worst of it and then did pretty well from the recovery. To them it wasn't really that bad because they weren't actually there. To have any reasonable chance of remembering 1945 you'd need have been about 10, so would now be 84.


There's a huge difference between surviving and thriving. As a species we'll survive pretty much anything that leaves the earth inhabitable, but that doesn't mean it'll be nice. People still survive in Pripyat.

borntobefree

Well, the powers that be managed to persuade millions of Brits to die in a trench for “King and Country “ so it’s not hard to believe that the population can be brainwashed by the press and politicians to “Get Brexit Done” ( so BJs hedge fund friends can get their big pay day).

I guess it’s a story as old as time.

borntobefree

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

Somebody explain to me why working class people are voting for this b*******s?

I do wonder how the people in these factories will actually react on the day they lose their jobs. I don’t say that flippantly either. I should imagine they will be very very angry???

I can’t imagine them just sitting there going, hey ho...I imagine it could get as ugly as the miners strike under Thatcher.

Thrugelmir

borntobefree wrote: »

Well, the powers that be managed to persuade millions of Brits to die in a trench for “King and Country “ so it’s not hard to believe that the population can be brainwashed by the press and politicians to “Get Brexit Done” ( so BJs hedge fund friends can get their big pay day).

I guess it’s a story as old as time.

The EU probably wouldn't exist today if history were rewritten.

Understanding history helps one understand today. By history I mean a broad perspective not through a narrow islanders eyes.

buglawton

borntobefree wrote: »

I do wonder how the people in these factories will actually react on the day they lose their jobs. I don’t say that flippantly either. I should imagine they will be very very angry???

I can’t imagine them just sitting there going, hey ho...I imagine it could get as ugly as the miners strike under Thatcher.

So all working class people work in factories? UK manufacturing employs 2.6 million people out of 35 million working. British manufacturing is relatively specialised/high tech and no doubt employs a lot of middle class too...

Luckily us MSE'ers don't easily get misled by misinformation.

Thrugelmir

borntobefree wrote: »

I imagine it could get as ugly as the miners strike under Thatcher.

Honda shutting their Swindon plant hasn't caused rioting in the streets. Half the workforce has already been laid off. As many were fixed term contractors not full time employees.

Globalisation is totally unrelated to Brexit.

Sailtheworld

Conina wrote: »

You might as well try forecasting the lottery numbers as suggest that & I suspect your answers would be just about as correct too. You can't say that because you don't know; medicines can be bought from anywhere on earth, not just the EU and many will be cheaper too if we discount the USA.

Don't be silly. The chances of 'forecasting' the lottery are 1 in 14,000,000. The chances of forecasting the effect of brexit on an already stretched medicine supply chain, suspect as you like, aren't 1 in 14,000,000.

If it was so simple to buy anywhere on Earth we wouldn't have an apparent shortage in the first place.

Conina wrote: »

A new low even for here, well done. Ignore the latest government advice that all will be well and that medicine supplies will be prioritised and instead use fear on the vulnerable.

I'm being told by the wise owls that there are already shortages. Brexit is probably not going to help so the vulnerable are being put at more risk. Don't try and put that on me as you clamber up to the moral high ground.

Conina wrote: »

That would be now then since you've already ignored the above. Why the desperation to cling on to the EU's skirts for any longer?

Staying another 6 months won't kill anyone apart from a few brexiteers who might burst a blood vessel.

Sailtheworld

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The EU probably wouldn't exist today if history were rewritten.

Understanding history helps one understand today. By history I mean a broad perspective not through a narrow islanders eyes.

Take a tiny step back. Are you absolutely sure it's not you that looking at this through a narrow islander's eyes?

How many times have you bemoaned people living in a bubble and never once considered whether you share the same bubble?

Sailtheworld

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Honda shutting their Swindon plant hasn't caused rioting in the streets. Half the workforce has already been laid off. As many were fixed term contractors not full time employees.

That's pushing the saying 'every cloud has a silver lining' to its limits.