Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Conina

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

It is not a worst case scenario. It's a medium case scenario. Things could also be a lot worse.


Anyways, I wasn't intending to argue with you. It's pointless.


I was merely sharing the same incredulity of other posters.



Those needing life saving drugs wanting a no deal Brexit, working class people voting to get rid of working class jobs, working class people voting for what probably will bring them yet more austerity.



It's madness imho. Makes no sense to me at all. But, yeah, I can see you are all dug in and there is no changing your minds.


AND. My conscience is clean. I never voted for any of this.

Then you will refuse all benefits you receive forever post-Brexit, I presume?

You can't blame people for being incredulous at your insistence to believe predictions & I suggest you look up what a prediction is: definitions include "guess" and "conjecture". Sensible people believe in facts and figures, the world they can see and touch not on dreams and guesswork. There is a very wise old saying which is very appropriate and which IMHO many remainers seem too willing to ignore: don't count your chickens.

Conina

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Brexit isn't going to improve the supply of medicines that your life depends upon. You don't need much of a crystal ball to calculate the risk, to supply and therefore your health outcome, is to the downside.

You might as well try forecasting the lottery numbers as suggest that & I suspect your answers would be just about as correct too. You can't say that because you don't know; medicines can be bought from anywhere on earth, not just the EU and many will be cheaper too if we discount the USA.

Sailtheworld wrote: »

How long would it take you to die if supply dried up for a time and brexiteers weren't given priority? I suspect you'll be brown bread before Thrug's deluded vision of a boom in UK manufacturing comes to the rescue.

A new low even for here, well done. Ignore the latest government advice that all will be well and that medicine supplies will be prioritised and instead use fear on the vulnerable.

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Here's an idea. Why don't we 'get brexit done' when we can be sure you (as well as people I like) aren't going to be put at unnecessary risk for the sake of a few extra months?

That would be now then since you've already ignored the above. Why the desperation to cling on to the EU's skirts for any longer?

Thrugelmir

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Hang on a minute punchy. You told me with certainty that current medicine issues have nothing to do with brexit and I'm meant to go off and research it for you?

I assumed that you followed the real news which is freely available. Not the fake news as projected through social media channels. Obviously nothing further to discuss in that case.

kingstreet

Conina wrote: »

Then you will refuse all benefits you receive forever post-Brexit, I presume?

I'll take that, right now.

No exposure to any upside of Brexit if I can avoid any downside.

Herzlos

Ditto, I'm happy to forfeit any "Brexit bounty" in exchange for being isolated from the fallout.

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Here's an idea. Why don't we 'get brexit done'

Why can't we 'get brexit done well'? I mean, will it kill anyone to wait until we have a plan? I understand the notion that the best way to see if your parachute works is to jump out of a plane, but can we at least give the straps a tug first?

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Is a worst case set of scenarios that is constantly being updated. Not a factual prediction.

And those scenarios involve medication shortages, no? Or has it been updated again?
Given that we're literally gambling with lives here (partner is on medication needed to stay alive, that's almost always late as it is), why are we so keen on blustering ahead with a cavalier "who knows what'll happen" attitude? Why can't we wait until we do know what'll happen?


Should the shortages get bad enough we'll be fine - we've got money - we can go private, or to Europe or the US to get them. The poorest in deprived areas? Who knows what'll happen to them, but I wouldn't be betting my life on it.

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Provides an opportunity to increase UK manufacturing capacity.

How long do you reckon it'd take to setup the UK companies and build the factories? We'd need to have started doing that already, no?

Thrugelmir

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

It is not a worst case scenario. It's a medium case scenario. Things could also be a lot worse.

That's the danger when documents such as this get published. Scare stories abound. What would be the point of basing a contingency plan on a medium case scenario? Weeks of civil servants time would have been wasted in preparing such a document.

Easy way of resolving border disruption would be to give priority to UK bound vehicles. Not the 900,000 lorry movements made annually across the UK to/from Eire to the Continent.

Herzlos

They published medium case to make it sounds less bad. Noticing a theme?


We could prioritize stuff that had UK as an end destination, but I don't imagine Eire would be happy with that France would be on Eires side - they could prioritise Irish traffic leaving the ports.


It also doesn't matter who we're prioritizing if they are stuck in miles of queues.

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

Somebody explain to me why working class people are voting for this b*******s?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance


They believe it'll benefit them in some undefined ways and can't comprehend that it just might not go to plan. Experts are either wrong or corrupt. Facts are "Project Fear". Everything will just be alright if we sing "Rule Britannia" enthusiastically enough, I mean, we survived the war right? Obviously not many of us that are alive now did, but it's still the same idea, they had a great time on rations didn't they?

qwert_yuiop

Conina wrote: »

You might as well try forecasting the lottery numbers as suggest that

No.
The chances of getting the lottery numbers right is one in 42 million or something similarly absurd. If you’re going to predict the availability of medication post brexit, either it’ll get worse or it won’t. It seems a reasonable bet that it’ll get worse - I’d say somewhat more likely than a one in 42 million chance, wouldn’t you?