Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Arklight

The Honda layoffs were sad but an example of Brexiters getting exactly what they voted for.

The Honda workers won't get another chance at the ballot box to vote their jobs back, but the rest of us don't have to vote ourselves into poverty.

buglawton

Sailtheworld wrote: »

That's not the reason there might be shortages after a no-deal brexit.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf

That link failed. Looking at probably the same doc via a Guardian link the section regarding medicines is pretty vague. Something about reduced flows. Not quite enough to spin a decent scare story out of, but people do try.

Thrugelmir

Sailtheworld wrote: »

There wasn't going to be any rioting anyway.

Why is Vauxhall's reorganisation plans going to generate a different outcome then?

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The EU probably wouldn't exist today if history were rewritten.

Understanding history helps one understand today. By history I mean a broad perspective not through a narrow islanders eyes.

Can you elaborate on this? What history would you need to re-write to prevent the EU having existed?


That you don't like it is obvious, but that doesn't mean it's a natural progression from a co-operative group of countries. The world is getting smaller and countries around the world are working together.

Sailtheworld

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Why is Vauxhall's reorganisation plans going to generate a different outcome then?

It isn't. Just more people losing well paid jobs who will be looking for lower paid jobs.

Some of you lot are going to be delighted with the brexit outcome given you've set the bar so low Jimmy Krankie could shuffle over it wearing flip flops.

If the sun comes up and there's no rioting everything else is gravy.

Sailtheworld

buglawton wrote: »

That link failed. Looking at probably the same doc via a Guardian link the section regarding medicines is pretty vague. Something about reduced flows. Not quite enough to spin a decent scare story out of, but people do try.

Reasonable worse case is 40% reduced flow across the channel (the route for most medicines) with significant disruption for six months. Given that many critical medicines have a short shelf life there's little scope to stockpile (and there's a shortage already according to our resident experts).

Veterinary medicines would be disrupted too limiting the UK's response to a disease outbreak.

We have a different idea of what vague means perhaps?

These risks may, or may not, come to fruition but there's no need to take any risk. People's lives are being put at risk because a few frothing brexiteers are scared, after 40 odd years in the EU, we might have to stay for another few months.

The people who are reliant on such medicines and are frothing about democracy really need an intervention to come up with a coping strategy.

gfplux

In a social setting two weeks ago I met a Doctor who works for a Luxembourg Pharmaceutical distribution company.
The Doctor said Brexit is mentioned everyday and that instead of three months stock being held in the UK they now held 12 to 24 months.
However this is a huge financial cost which someone, probably the consumer will ultimately pay for.
However many products have short shelf life so they are engaged in a constant rotation of stock.

buglawton

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Reasonable worse case is 40% reduced flow across the channel (the route for most medicines) with significant disruption for six months. Given that many critical medicines have a short shelf life there's little scope to stockpile (and there's a shortage already according to our resident experts).

Veterinary medicines would be disrupted too limiting the UK's response to a disease outbreak.

We have a different idea of what vague means perhaps?

These risks may, or may not, come to fruition but there's no need to take any risk. People's lives are being put at risk because a few frothing brexiteers are scared, after 40 odd years in the EU, we might have to stay for another few months.

The people who are reliant on such medicines and are frothing about democracy really need an intervention to come up with a coping strategy.

So we're back at square one again after 3.5 years? The EU can dictate any deal it likes to the UK, including legal and economic annexation of part of it. Because a vocal portion of the British public is scared rigid of the unpredictable future?

gfplux

By the way has everyone forgotten about the European Medicines Agency that moved from London to Amsterdam because of Brexit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Medicines_Agency

And

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-now-operating-amsterdam

Moby

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-economy-brexit-boris-johnson-institute-fiscal-studies-growth-exports-a9146386.html

The UK is already up to a staggering £66bn poorer because of the Brexit vote after economic growth evaporated, experts warn today.

The huge loss means the hit to national income – around £420m a week – is greater than Boris Johnson’s discredited claim that leaving the EU would deliver a £350m boost for the NHS.

Instead, the nation’s wealth has slumped by between 2.5 per cent and 3 per cent, a loss of £55–£66bn, in the three years since the June 2016 vote, the Institute for Fiscal Studies has concluded.