Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Conina

Advice4sue wrote: »

I’m really not being facetious as I realise there are very committed Brexiteers on here but are any of you on here who voted to leave in the 2016 referendum and are still in favour, not concerned at the problems a no deal Brexit would bring?
On a personal level I have many concerns but what about the business’s who trade with EU? What about the supplies of medicines.... I could go on but we all know. Yes no doubt in the long run things will maybe get sorted but will they be better than if we had remained in EU? How does anyone know?
Unfortunately (and I speak as a Conservative) I don’t trust Boris to sort it. Why would any of us? It’s well known that he would have supported Remain if that would have been better for his self promotion. So whilst he needs to go with the ‘do or die’ to keep credible, don’t some of you doubt that it may backfire spectacularly?
But unfortunately we as normal people and the economy will potentially suffer terribly.

I think you're relying on the propaganda too much and paying far too much attention to media negativity because in reality it is business that will determine how well we do and far less so the government because people (businesses) buy and sell to and from each other, not governments.

Tesco will find and sell oranges, Boots will find and sell medicines, Jet2 will sell holidays and fly holidaymakers and Sofology will still have a near-permanent sale on sofas despite any effects Brexit might cause and regardless of any predictions of doom and gloom. We're far more likely to "suffer terribly" from a global recession or fluctuating oil prices than from Brexit.

Advice4sue

No I’m not relying on propaganda or negative media. I’m intelligent enough to think for myself and see around blatant propaganda which has been present on both sides.
Whilst yes, the global financial situation is worrying regardless of Brexit, the fact is no one knows what the outcome of a no deal Brexit is. Businesses are vital to our economy and a no deal/ or bad deal will affect businesses who trade with the EU. How can it not? How can anyone know otherwise?

Advice4sue

Incidentally I could also be wrong! Maybe all will be fine. Sadly I think it unlikely.
But the fact is nobody knows as we are on untried territory.

lisyloo

Advice4sue wrote: »

Incidentally I could also be wrong! Maybe all will be fine. Sadly I think it unlikely.
But the fact is nobody knows as we are on untried territory.

This is not very comforting for anyone on life saving or even life changing medication, let alone anyone with a job that would be affected.


I would like to ask leavers the same question.
Surely most of them know someone diabetic or epileptic etc.


Are they just trusting the back up plans of a governement in disarray?

Moby

Don't bet on a good trade deal with the US either:-

a) Congress will not approve it if the GFA is breached, which Johnson's 'deal' does and which no deal certainly does.
b) Trump is not great on following through on his promises. Ironic that the blond Liar is falling for the Orange Liar's vacuous offerings.
c) Trump may have other things on his mind, and may not even be in office that much longer.

mayonnaise

lisyloo wrote: »

I would like to ask leavers the same question.
Surely most of them know someone diabetic or epileptic etc.

Let's ask a diabetic leaver.

I'm a diabetic. I rely on insulin, but I still want to leave.

The reporter appeared shocked and responded:

If the insulin doesn't arrive, for you as a diabetic, you think that's a price worth paying?

The Brexiteer responded:

Yeah I do. Because we voted to leave.

https://www.indy100.com/article/brexit-diabetes-insulin-no-deal-medicine-shortages-bbc-news-video-9112031

And there we have it boys and girls.

Sailtheworld

Conina wrote: »

I think you're relying on the propaganda too much and paying far too much attention to media negativity because in reality it is business that will determine how well we do and far less so the government because people (businesses) buy and sell to and from each other, not governments.

Tesco will find and sell oranges, Boots will find and sell medicines, Jet2 will sell holidays and fly holidaymakers and Sofology will still have a near-permanent sale on sofas despite any effects Brexit might cause and regardless of any predictions of doom and gloom. We're far more likely to "suffer terribly" from a global recession or fluctuating oil prices than from Brexit.

Even if you're a manufacturer of widgets exporting to Europe and are as prepared as you can be for a no-deal brexit you're still going to be behind a queue of trucks at Dover who aren't.

Of course a global recession would have negative impacts - that goes without saying but brexit will make it worse. We've had years of delayed investment decisions and just how much do you think it costs to build stock (twice), to take production breaks or to avoid ports for a few weeks etc.

I'm talking to wholesale businesses now whose preparation in the event of a no-deal brexit is to buy stock from Tesco. Some catering businesses have the same plan. Some retailers are considering rationing in the event of no deal - back to the sunlit uplands of WW2.

Advice4sue

mayonnaise - your quote ....
I]‘I'm a diabetic. I rely on insulin, but I still want to leave.
The reporter appeared shocked and responded:
If the insulin doesn't arrive, for you as a diabetic, you think that's a price worth paying?’
The Brexiteer responded:
Yeah I do. Because we voted to leave.[/I]

I’m using my phone so can’t use the quote buttons but.....
Really? I don’t think anyone would consider that a typical response by the vast majority of people who rely on life saving medications. Sorry that’s seems a bizarre quote to have used.
Again the fact is we don’t know what will happen. That is the worryingly part.

lisyloo

This seems extraordinary to Me

Appreciate theres some way to go but running out of superlatives for interest8ng times

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49924755

mayonnaise

Advice4sue wrote: »

mayonnaise - your quote ....

Really? I don’t think anyone would consider that a typical response by the vast majority of people who rely on life saving medications. Sorry that’s seems a bizarre quote to have used.
Again the fact is we don’t know what will happen. That is the worryingly part.

I don't think this response is typical, but it does signal a trend within the brexit extremist community.
Where previously any downsides of brexit were laughed away as 'project fear' they are now reluctantly accepted, but the drive for brexit is only strengthened by it.

See also that famous Yougov poll where brexiteers would still choose brexit even it meant significant economic damage, breakup of the Union, etc...
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/18/most-conservative-members-would-see-party-destroye