Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Arklight

Conina wrote: »

:rotfl: Already the EU is shuddering at Italy and Germany's economies stalling and the ECB's running out of options for further stimulus so already it looks like avoiding recession is a big fat "no" but hey, they recovered quickly after the GFC ... or not since still unemployment remains stubbornly high and growth has at best been lethargic.

The difference being that if you lose your job in Germany you get the average of your last 3 year's salary for a year while you look for another one. You won't lose your house and if you do there's a comprehensive public housing stock to shelter you.

German children generally don't turn up at school on a Monday morning hungry because their parents couldn't get a food bank referral on the Friday. If you need to see a doctor there you can do, rather than having to overcome a triaging ordeal run by receptionists to get on a waiting list you'll probably die before seeing the front of.

Overweight, undereducated, unhealthy people waddle around on dirty unswept streets hoping the CCTV cameras can keep them safe from all the crime they wouldn't be at risk from 22 miles away on the continent, wondering when the last time they saw a policeman was.

Creaking, useless trains break down so nobody gets to work on time and massive profits go to the other countries railways because that's the great British free market.

It's laughable all the Kippers criticism of the EU. Have any of you ever been? Europeans enjoy a better standard of living, safety, and public services than Brits but all you can do is crow over meaningless fractional digits in GDP while your roads crumble and your public services collapse.

You lot need to pull your heads out of your behinds, look at reality, and speculate, just for once, that Britain actually doesn't know everything and in some cases is far behind; that we can learn a lot from our European neighbours, and need to.

buglawton

Arklight wrote: »

The difference being that if you lose your job in Germany you get the average of your last 3 year's salary for a year while you look for another one. You won't lose your house and if you do there's a comprehensive public housing stock to shelter you.

German children generally don't turn up at school on a Monday morning hungry because their parents couldn't get a food bank referral on the Friday. If you need to see a doctor there you can do, rather than having to overcome a triaging ordeal run by receptionists to get on a waiting list you'll probably die before seeing the front of.

Overweight, undereducated, unhealthy people waddle around on dirty unswept streets hoping the CCTV cameras can keep them safe from all the crime they wouldn't be at risk from 22 miles away on the continent, wondering when the last time they saw a policeman was.

Creaking, useless trains break down so nobody gets to work on time and massive profits go to the other countries railways because that's the great British free market.

It's laughable all the Kippers criticism of the EU. Have any of you ever been? Europeans enjoy a better standard of living, safety, and public services than Brits but all you can do is crow over meaningless fractional digits in GDP while your roads crumble and your public services collapse.

You lot need to pull your heads out of your behinds, look at reality, and speculate, just for once, that Britain actually doesn't know everything and in some cases is far behind; that we can learn a lot from our European neighbours, and need to.

An almost perfect post, except
https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2012/0501/In-France-s-suburban-ghettos-a-struggle-to-be-heard-amid-election-noise

Meanwhile in East Germany there are some very dodgy things going on with their equivalent of the NF.

It's a mixed world out there. But I'll certainly say that Britain is not leading by example.

buglawton

Oh and I feel obliged to set the record straight on German benefits

https://www.settle-in-berlin.com/unemployment-benefits-in-germany-application-guide/

In terms of support length: the rule is pretty simple here. You contribute twice as long as you can receive. For example as an employee (aged below 55), you need to work 24 months to be able to claim a full-year worth of benefits (ALG 1). You cannot claim more than one year if you are aged under 45. In terms of support amount, you will receive 60% of your net salary, 67% if you have children. Also remember that your health insurance will be covered too during that time

Still pretty darned good, mind, and what the UK could enjoy, if it could only learn that one little weird trick that my grandma told me: How to get your productivity up to proper 1st world standards.

lvader

Arklight wrote: »

It's laughable all the Kippers criticism of the EU. Have any of you ever been? Europeans enjoy a better standard of living, safety, and public services than Brits but all you can do is crow over meaningless fractional digits in GDP while your roads crumble and your public services collapse.

I lived in Italy 11 years, attended 2 EU run European schools, worked for an EU research centre for 2 years, also worked in Switzerland (not quite EU) for 3 years.

Public services in Italy are pretty poor, they have huge public debt and as they can't grew they can't improve or invest in the future. It's easy for Germany, it's like playing a long game of Monopoly where one player has all the cash and properties, not much fun for the others.

Sailtheworld

lvader wrote: »

I lived in Italy 11 years, attended 2 EU run European schools, worked for an EU research centre for 2 years, also worked in Switzerland (not quite EU) for 3 years.

Sounds awful for you. Did you get Red Cross parcels sent?

HHarry

giocoforzauno wrote: »

In my opinion there will be a new deadline for Brexit (31 January 2020)

Probably. And Parliament will use this extension as effectively as the last.

Sailtheworld

Boris' negotiating strategy now seems to be to stand in front of a bunch of fawning sycophants in Manchester and shout across the channel.

I think he's a complete idiot but I do wonder what his strategy is. A push for no-deal by claiming he'd done 'everything possible' or just hoping for a crumb from the EU that allows him to save face and put May's deal back in front of parliament.

Herzlos

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Boris' negotiating strategy now seems to be to stand in front of a bunch of fawning sycophants in Manchester and shout across the channel.

I think he's a complete idiot but I do wonder what his strategy is. A push for no-deal by claiming he'd done 'everything possible' or just hoping for a crumb from the EU that allows him to save face and put May's deal back in front of parliament.

He's got nothing to show to the EU, so he's playing to his audience to try and make it look like he's doing all he can in order to blame the EU when he has to betray them.

triathlon

What has Boris got up his sleeve, or what does he think he has up his sleeve?

listening to Newsnight last night and it is quite obvious when some Tory Brexit MP's were interviewed that they knew something and were not telling.

Sailtheworld

triathlon wrote: »

What has Boris got up his sleeve, or what does he think he has up his sleeve?

listening to Newsnight last night and it is quite obvious when some Tory Brexit MP's were interviewed that they knew something and were not telling.

Well they're going to suspend parliament again next week so Boris can avoid another PMQs.