Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

gfplux

Moe_The_Bartender wrote: »

I'm wondering if the UK Government would take a lead from the EU and insist that the SNP agree up front to pay Scotland's share of the National debt before they talk about anything else. And that they go and raise the money on the financial markets.

I'm also thinking that the Unionists will hit the SNP with all of the Remoaner arguments .

It's only advisory.
People can change their mind
This isn't what you promised
Nobody voted for this deal or no deal.
Nobody voted to be poorer
Etc.

Maybe there will be a few legal challenges thrown in ?

It would be great to see all their Remoaner troll activity turned right back on them !

It will also be fun seeing the press conferences and hearing the leaks coming from the withdrawal negotiations.

Enterprise_1701C

Moe_The_Bartender wrote: »

Just because some Nats say that England treats Scotland like a 2nd class region doesn’t make it true. Scotland will never vote to leave the UK because Scots have far too much sense to do that. The Nats bang on about Independence but they would absolutely brick themselves if it ever came about.

Your whole post is simply risible.

The problem is that fishface wants us to do everything that she says, regardless of the fact that we have a population ten times the size of Scotland. That is why they say they are being treated like a second class region.

They seem to forget that they get a massive subsidy from the rUK.

In 2017/18, public spending per person in the UK as a whole was £9,350. In England, it was £9,080 (3% below the UK average). This compares with:
Scotland: £10,881 (16% above the UK average)
Wales: £10,397 (11% above the UK average)
Northern Ireland £11,190 (20% above the UK average) (this would cause Ireland problems if they ended up coming together).

Quite honestly she bleats on and on and on, I think she just likes being in the limelight, if Scotland went independent and she had to do some work she would have the shock of her life, in fact I suspect she would do a Cameron and disappear once she realised she would have to balance the budget (Scotland have a deficit per person of three times that of the whole of the UK combined [including Scotland]), there would be no more free uni, no more free prescriptions, taxes would have to go up etc etc. As for the rUK, well, we might actually be able to start to relax a little fiscally.

If anything, we are treating England as a 4th class region. We don't even have our own parliament whilst everyone else does, even if one country can't agree on how it should be run.

Herzlos

That's a pretty good illustration as to why about half of Scots feel 2nd class. Our elected leadership is constantly abused and we're regularly being told to get back in our box and stop annoying England.

Would we be worse off going it alone? Maybe, but brexiteers are happy to do that to us anyway so how come it's ok for them?
Personally, I think we'll do alright. I'm more than happy to take the risk and pay a bit more tax.

qwert_yuiop

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm more than happy to take the risk and pay a bit more tax.

As long as you’ve a job to pay this increased tax.

Can this happiness be quantified? How much are you more than happy to lose to see this independence? A thousand a year? Ten thousand a year? Living in a tent? I think we should be told.

Herzlos

I'd love to see a brexiteer answer that.

Personally I'd probably take a 25% drop to live in an independent Scotland.
I already pay a bit more tax to live here rather than England.
But then I think Scotland will thrive a lot better in the EU and outside the UK than in the UK outside the EU.


Having a job certainly helps, too. Mine is safe but not all will be. But again Brexit completely changes the balance; there's a huge risk to jobs from staying in the UK too.

Herzlos

Not a recession yet, but we've just had a quarter with 0.2% economic shrinkage. What can we blame that on? Bounceback from stockpiling?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49290926

phillw

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

Can this happiness be quantified? How much are you more than happy to lose to see this independence? A thousand a year? Ten thousand a year? Living in a tent? I think we should be told.

They asked leave voters the same thing, they'd literally accept anything to be free from their imagined slavery. Including losing scotland.

Herzlos

phillw wrote: »

They asked leave voters the same thing, they'd literally accept anything to be free from their imagined slavery. Including losing scotland.

There was this poll of Tory members who were willing to lose Scotland, Ireland and the Tory Party, as well as significant economic damage:


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-tory-members-uk-economy-scotland-northern-ireland-yougov-a8963391.html


I don't think I've seen an equivalent from a broader background, or any direct comments from the Brexiteers.

Moe_The_Bartender

Herzlos wrote: »

Not a recession yet, but we've just had a quarter with 0.2% economic shrinkage. What can we blame that on?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49290926

I don’t recall you posting about German manufacturing output contraction. Why is that and what do you blame that on?

Moe_The_Bartender

Data released today (10th May) by the Office of National Statistics (ONS) shows the 2018/19 financial year was a record-breaking year for UK exports, as they reached £639.9 billion.

Total exports grew at a rate of 3.0% and increased by £18.5 billion compared to the 2017/18 financial year.

Despite the uncertain global economic outlook, UK exports have been growing for the past 36 consecutive months on an annual rolling basis, an indication of the unparalleled spirit and resilience of UK exporters up and down the country.

In terms of services alone, the ONS figures show our dynamic services sector saw exports increase by 1.4% to £283.8 billion in the 2018/19 financial year.

Separate data published by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation (OECD) showed between 2016 and 2018, UK total exports grew at 13.8%, faster than Germany (10.5%), France (10.1%) and Italy (11.4%).

The OECD data also showed UK export growth was faster than the overall rate for the European Union (11.9%).

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/british-exports-hit-a-record-high-according-to-new-official-data