Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Herzlos

Moe_The_Bartender wrote: »

They don’t appear to have a problem ignoring MEPs nominations for EU presidents and nominating the likes of Ursula von der Leyen instead.

Which is entirely within their rules, and Ursula received a majority approval by the MEPs. I think it was 52% so any claim her appointment is undemocratic casts real shadow over Brexit.

Or breaking their own rules to parachute Martin Selmayr as head of the EU civil service.

True. But is that a reason to leave rather than trying to change it from the inside? Can we dissolve the UK just because Westminster keeps breaking it's own rules? We just had a government found in contempt of Parliament and nothing happened.


The EU isn't perfect, no-one claims it is. I just can't see how leaving helps in any way.

Moby

Arklight wrote: »

Right wingers dislike the EU because they perceive it as a left wing institution. Left wingers dislike it because they see it as a right wing institution.

It's far from perfect, but it's better than the Tories and Boris Johnson.

It's clear that trying to explain/defend something that's complicated and allow a binary choice referendum on something so complicated was always going to end in tears especially when you have populist rabble rousers like Farage to 'make things simple' for people.

Arklight

Boris Johnson's majority now down to one MP, and that's assuming the fundamentalist followers of Middle Eastern religion in the DUP continue backing the Tories. Considering Johnson's stated views on gays, black people, muslims, and women, he should be able to come up with plenty of policies to placate their bigotry with his own; but the Irish border may be a step too far.

General election soon most likely, best case scenario at the moment a progressive alliance with a stymied Lib-Lab government. At least that would get Johnson's cabal of far right maniacs out.

Moby

Arklight wrote: »

Boris Johnson's majority now down to one MP, and that's assuming the fundamentalist followers of Middle Eastern religion in the DUP continue backing the Tories. Considering Johnson's stated views on gays, black people, muslims, and women, he should be able to come up with plenty of policies to placate their bigotry with his own; but the Irish border may be a step too far.

General election soon most likely, best case scenario at the moment a progressive alliance with a stymied Lib-Lab government. At least that would get Johnson's cabal of far right maniacs out.

Hope you are right but can't help noticing Labour nearly lost it's deposit and I saw polling recently which puts ten points on our support if Corbyn was replaced?

Arklight

Moby wrote: »

It's clear that trying to explain/defend something that's complicated and allow a binary choice referendum on something so complicated was always going to end in tears especially when you have populist rabble rousers like Farage to 'make things simple' for people.

Referendums are flawed because people are often voting on issues other than the one on the ballot. Especially to give the government of the day a kicking.

Once Cameron announced that he would step down if Leave won, that was pretty much the end of Remain's chances of winning.

The Tories hardly got a ringing endorsement in the following GE, either. It's a great shame if people voted Leave to protest the Tory government at the time, considering the Tory government it has led to.

As an exercise in proving how bad Tory governments can be, Brexit is a roaring success.

LHW99

General election soon most likely, best case scenario at the moment a progressive alliance with a stymied Lib-Lab government. At least that would get Johnson's cabal of far right maniacs out.

Perhaps, although on labour's showing of 5% they also seem to be in trouble. Of course unless the EU is asked, and agrees, to an extension, triggering a GE could just allow the UK to drift over the line to an exit without a deal, given that Parliament is in recess now, and time before Oct 31 is limited when they return.

Sailtheworld

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Thank goodness there's an ignore feature on this forum. :wave::wave:

We've had the playing down, the tangents and the irrelevant metaphors and now, when you're called on it, the hands get slapped firmly across the eyes. Maybe you didn't learn as much from your trip to Berlin as you think.

Thrugelmir

Sailtheworld wrote: »

We've had the playing down, the tangents and the irrelevant metaphors and now, when you're called on it, the hands get slapped firmly across the eyes. Maybe you didn't learn as much from your trip to Berlin as you think.

The record drones on and on. Turn it over. Don't waste your life away trolling people. Just because they hold different opinions to you.

Thrugelmir

Theophile wrote: »

The future is bright, the future is Remain.

Is remain a party now? Will voting intentions be the same at a General Election.

Sailtheworld

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The record drones on and on. Turn it over. Don't waste your life away trolling people. Just because they hold different opinions to you.

I'm genuinely interested in why you seek to downplay the contribution of the racist vote to the leave campaign success. That's not trolling - far from it.

The answer has nothing to do with how much time you think I spend on Facebook, the museum you went to in Germany or the virtues of the ignore function by the way.