Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

lisyloo

StevieJ wrote: »

For now :eek:

Yep, she’s looking pretty good to me right now compared with Johnson and hunt.
More gravitas on the international stage.

Herzlos

adindas wrote: »

Love Anne Widdecombe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXrZv0fJmS4

“That’s what you do here, that’s why we are going. Nous allons, wir gehen, we’re off.

Because she 'gave the EU a bloody nose' or because you think there's any merit or substance behind what she said?


It's just a sad reminder on the international stage of the childish nature of the Brits at the moment.

adindas

Herzlos wrote: »

Because she 'gave the EU a bloody nose' or because you think there's any merit or substance behind what she said?


It's just a sad reminder on the international stage of the childish nature of the Brits at the moment.

Well certainly more to do with what she gave to the EU.
You need someone to stand up. Teresa May has let the country to become a begging nation and let the country to be humiliated and

That is what the people who voted Brexit expect them to do..

Herzlos

adindas wrote: »

Well certainly more to do with what she gave to the EU.

But she did nothing to the EU. It was a rant which seems to have been soundly ignored beyond some mockery - it provided no information and make her look like an ignorant prat.

You need someone to stand up. Teresa May has let the country to become a begging nation and let the country to be humiliated and

No, we need someone to make a decision, and then follow it through. Mays begging was entirely down to having to mandate and being unable to conclude anything, and nothing to do with the EU pushing her around.


If anything, we need less sabre rattling for the audience back home, and to actually engage with the EU, Parliament and the electorate to come up with a solution. Or we can crash out and do the same thing under more pressure.



Personally I prefer the latter - we're not going to make any progress until we're on WTO and suffering.

That is what the people who voted Brexit expect them to do..

I don't think we can say anything about what the people who voted Brexit expect, unless we can ask them.

Thrugelmir

adindas wrote: »

If It did not work in such a small country of 8.9 million. Let alone it could work in European Financial Hub when Britain retaliate it will shut Paris Frankfurt Brussels within a year.

Demise of DB as an investment bank leaves the door wide open to the US banking giants. EU banks are well under capitalised in terms of meeting future Basle III requirements.

adindas

Herzlos wrote: »

But she did nothing to the EU. It was a rant which seems to have been soundly ignored beyond some mockery - it provided no information and make her look like an ignorant prat.

No, we need someone to make a decision, and then follow it through. Mays begging was entirely down to having to mandate and being unable to conclude anything, and nothing to do with the EU pushing her around.

If anything, we need less sabre rattling for the audience back home, and to actually engage with the EU, Parliament and the electorate to come up with a solution. Or we can crash out and do the same thing under more pressure.

Personally I prefer the latter - we're not going to make any progress until we're on WTO and suffering.


I don't think we can say anything about what the people who voted Brexit expect, unless we can ask them.

Ann entitled to her own opinion.
You don't need to beg like what Teresa May have done. Did she say No deal is better than Bad deal.

Did you read the article about the Eu try to treat the Swiss and how the Swiss people react.

It is only that in this country there are too MPs who weaken the UK negotiation position. Keep in mind many of them voted to trigger article 50 when they still had time to reverse it.

I have provided the example of these MP in my previous post

borderline like a trators.

Herzlos

adindas wrote: »

Ann entitled to her own opinion.

Of course, but that opinion can still be garbage, no?

You don't need to beg like what Teresa May have done.

Absolutely, but do you think Anns speech will have got the UK anywhere?

Did she say No deal is better than Bad deal.

May? Many times, but the problem there is that it's clearly a bluff and everyone involved knew it was a bluff. She wasn't stupid or bold enough to actually go for a no-deal.

Did you read the article about the Eu try to treat the Swiss and how the Swiss people react.

Yup.

It is only that in this country there are too MPs who weaken the UK negotiation position. Keep in mind many of them voted to trigger article 50 when they still had time to reverse it.

I have provided the example of these MP in my previous post

borderline like a trators.

The UK negotiation position is weak purely because it doesn't know what it wants. Prominent Leavers promised contradictory and impossible things before running away. Parliament can't get consensus on anything because it doesn't want to make hard decisions. Everyone knows that a no-deal Brexit would be economically damaging, but at the same time it's apparently what the people want, and that's a tough one to deal with.

adindas

Herzlos wrote: »

Of course, but that opinion can still be garbage, no?

The UK negotiation position is weak purely because it doesn't know what it wants. Prominent Leavers promised contradictory and impossible things before running away. Parliament can't get consensus on anything because it doesn't want to make hard decisions. Everyone knows that a no-deal Brexit would be economically damaging, but at the same time it's apparently what the people want, and that's a tough one to deal with.

Leavers is not running away. It is only that the current government (e.g) Theresa May is a remainer.
She voted to remain. Brexit party is happy to take control of Brexit only that they have not got chance due to Newly formed party. Shall there is a general election they will become the largest party in the Uk considering their performance in European Election.

Brexit might be economically damaging for short run but what about the long run. Also it will damage the EU as well. What is for sure is that Democracy is above all.

Also keep in mind in any negotiation "No deal is better than bad deal" you do not want to accept a deal that will suck your blood for the rest of your life.

Takedap

adindas wrote: »

Brexit might be economically damaging for short run but what about the long run. Also it will damage the EU as well. What is for sure is that Democracy is above all.

I keep hearing that the damage will be short term. While we all seem to agree that it will be damaging, what evidence is there that it will be short term?


The evidence I've seen is that negotiating trade deals from scratch seems to be a time-scale measured in years rather than months

Herzlos

Reese Mogg reckons it'll be about 50 years before we start seeing benefits, but I guess that's short term for some.

adindas wrote: »

Leavers is not running away.

Farage and Johnson couldn't get away quick enough.

Brexit party is happy to take control of Brexit only that they have not got chance due to Newly formed party.

Farage has failed to become a real MP something like 7 times now, once losing out to a guy dressed as a dolphin. Plenty of Brexiters within Parliament to choose from.

Brexit might be economically damaging for short run but what about the long run. Also it will damage the EU as well. What is for sure is that Democracy is above all.

You can't eat democracy.

Damage in the long run will be OK - we'll either adapt or re-join.

Also keep in mind in any negotiation "No deal is better than bad deal" you do not want to accept a deal that will suck your blood for the rest of your life.

No deal is the worst possible deal, unless we did something like agree to full contributions with no benefits, and a unilateral trade deal. So whilst it's technically possible that no deal is better than a bad deal, we'd have to work hard to get a deal bad enough.


This is still a long way from the Leave campaigns idea that we can trade as-is, but just not contribute or follow the rules.