Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

lisyloo

SpiderLegs wrote: »

Polls do not directly translate into seats. See UKIP 2015.

ok but thats doesnt mean that you alone can predict the next GE result.


I am a long time tory voter changing my allegiance.
Theres increasing concern over climate change - it's not fringe anymore to be green its mainstream.
Brexit is also a massive single issue.


There is a sea-change I think.
There is a danger of a single party not having a clear majority.
There is a danger of a corbyn government.


But things are now bad enough for some of us to put those fears aside and stand up for what we believe and I believe Brexit is madness (yes you don't need to remind me it got a majority).

Lots can change, but I don't believe you have any special inside track on the future.

Tromking

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/why-jaguar-land-rover-has-changed-its-tune-over-brexit/ar-AADyNwB?li=AAnZ9Ug&ocid=U219DHP

Business is adapting to the new normal.

SpiderLegs

lisyloo wrote: »

ok but thats doesnt mean that you alone can predict the next GE result.


I am a long time tory voter changing my allegiance.
Theres increasing concern over climate change - it's not fringe anymore to be green its mainstream.
Brexit is also a massive single issue.


There is a sea-change I think.
There is a danger of a single party not having a clear majority.
There is a danger of a corbyn government.


But things are now bad enough for some of us to put those fears aside and stand up for what we believe and I believe Brexit is madness (yes you don't need to remind me it got a majority).

Lots can change, but I don't believe you have any special inside track on the future.

I think you’re getting just a bit too excited. There’s no sea change at all. There’s just two main parties that have crap leadership at the moment.

PixelPound

SpiderLegs wrote: »

I think you’re getting just a bit too excited. There’s no sea change at all. There’s just two main parties that have crap leadership at the moment.

We had the euro election when the green party did very well which was expected to translate into seats at the next GE.

Both main parties are trying to avoid winning it seems. Teresa May was held to ransom by the ERG and DUP and the leadership contenders are grasping the no deal branch to keep support of the malcontents and warning dissenters of a Corbyn govt. The Labour left are keeping hold of their control of the party and seemingly believe the conservative rhetoric in that they just need to wait and their time will come! They don't consider that they really should be running away with it in the polls or wonder why they aren't. They seem to believe they'll win the next GE when most people don't have confidence in wither party at the moment.

It isn't a sea change moment as people vote differently at GE to other elections. Come the next election there will be those who moved away from conservatives who will move back because they don't want a conservative govt, and people who have always voted Labour will go back to doing so. The fear that Brexit party could lose the conservatives the election won't come about as a lot of their support will chicken out and go for the big two for fear of getting someone they don't want.

Enterprise_1701C

kingstreet wrote: »

Ah, sorry.

I misunderstood. I thought the point was related to getting the PM job without the approval of the electorate rather than the elevation to party leader.

Silly me!

I've been debating answering this but I shall.

Do you not realise that you are voting for a party, not a PM?

It is simple fact that the party that comes into power then normally has a leader who becomes PM, if that leader changes then the PM changes.

We are not the US. You really should not vote for the specific person leading the party, you should vote for the principles of the party as it is quite easy for the leader of the party to change.

If you should vote for Labour there is a good chance momentum would decide to change the leader fairly rapidly, just imagine, vote for them and you could end up with Diane Abbott or John Mcdonnell, or even Jonathan Lansman (the PM does not have to be an MP).

JACKBLACK

gfplux wrote: »

"Forward, the Light Brigade!"
Was there a man dismay’d?
Not tho’ the soldier knew
Some one had blunder’d:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

Yes, and we all know how the Charge of the Light Brigade ended.:o

Arklight

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

I've been debating answering this but I shall.

Do you not realise that you are voting for a party, not a PM?

It is simple fact that the party that comes into power then normally has a leader who becomes PM, if that leader changes then the PM changes.

We are not the US. You really should not vote for the specific person leading the party, you should vote for the principles of the party as it is quite easy for the leader of the party to change.

If you should vote for Labour there is a good chance momentum would decide to change the leader fairly rapidly, just imagine, vote for them and you could end up with Diane Abbott or John Mcdonnell, or even Jonathan Lansman (the PM does not have to be an MP).

Good grief. You mean, someone else with principles that don't evaporate depending on which journalist they are talking to? Someone else who can't be paid off by the rich to enact policies that benefit noone but the rich? Someone else who became successful in politics by virtue of their own efforts and decency, rather than being handed grace and favour Etonian privilege as their birth right?

Gosh that will never do. Better vote Tory so we can get the worst prime minister in 200 years leading one of the most venal, self interested, and useless political parties in the developed world.

:rotfl::money:

zagubov

Arklight wrote: »

Good grief. You mean, someone else with principles that don't evaporate depending on which journalist they are talking to? Someone else who can't be paid off by the rich to enact policies that benefit noone but the rich? Someone else who became successful in politics by virtue of their own efforts and decency, rather than being handed grace and favour Etonian privilege as their birth right?

Gosh that will never do. Better vote Tory so we can get the worst prime minister in 200 years leading one of the most venal, self interested, and useless political parties in the developed world.

:rotfl::money:

Trying to think of the best outcome of the leadership battle of the tories is like trying to help the elephant man to decide which way to part his hair for a date.:(

gfplux

There are a surprising number of British citizens who still appear to be dreaming of retiring to the sunshine at some point in the near future.
Evidence for this is now apparent from TV overseas property programmes filmed after Brexit and the number of questions asked on social media sites.
The ignorance of what the ending of the freedom of movement will mean to them is surprising. They seem unaware of the red tape involved for a third country citizen to settle. The police check, the medical insurance required and perhaps the greatest barrier is the high income required by countries such as Spain.
Even many 2nd home owners in Spain and France have never heard of the requirement for a Schengen Visa or the 90/180 time requirement.

Perhaps they also think leaving without a deal is a good idea.

mayonnaise

gfplux wrote: »

Even many 2nd home owners in Spain and France have never heard of the requirement for a Schengen Visa or the 90/180 time requirement.

Dave, who bought his Spanish holiday home after voting to leave, now thinks he may have shot himself in the foot

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1093966760628404224

"So Dave, what's the biggest thing you learnt?"

"Well, the freedom of movement in Europe you know...for proper Europeans."

"You want to keep your own freedom of movement?"

"Hmmm..."

:rotfl: