Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

SpiderLegs

Tromking wrote: »

Not really.
Brown’s coronation predated the introduction of the fixed term Parliament act.

He shoots, He scores!

Thrugelmir

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Blair obviously did not care about what he would do to the country and what he had previously done to it.

Brown's welfare state plans were already in place. Blair jumped ship as could see what was on the horizon. Entrusting the finances of the country to a journalist. Who later believed that he had saved the global banking system and therefore would be offered the World Bank job on a plate...........

Hardly surprising he quickly disappeared into the shadows.

buglawton

I've pondered on Brown. Would a more 'expert' chancellor have responded so rapidly to the financial crisis, or would a different chancellor have thought he 'knew better'? Anyway, Brown turned out to be the right 'financial wartime' chancellor.

gfplux

I would have thought that the words of the next Prime Minister would be very interesting in this thread.
Boris Johnson said in an interview on Talkradio on Tuesday 25th June 2019 that the UK must leave the EU on 31 October, “do or die. Come what may”

This statement made the front page of the Times, Observer, Express and Financial Times and probably many others.

So that’s it. Done and dusted.
Britain out by the end of October.

kingstreet

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

The fact is that the leadership was handed to Brown on a plate, there was no election within the Labour party, he was promised it a long way ahead. Blair obviously did not care about what he would do to the country and what he had previously done to it.

Ah, sorry.

I misunderstood. I thought the point was related to getting the PM job without the approval of the electorate rather than the elevation to party leader.

Silly me!

lisyloo

gfplux wrote: »

So that’s it. Done and dusted.
Britain out by the end of October.

Negotiating a new deal and getting it through parliament by 31/10 is very unlikely to happen.

So if we have an extension Boris will say he had to make that negotiating stance believable and he seems to get away with whatever he says.

My money is on a vote of no confidence.
I’m just not clear how we stop no deal from happening whilst we’re bickering amongst ourselves if Parliament can’t force it (and I believe Oliver letwin was out of ideas).

Tromking

20 Tory MP’s apparently willing to end BJ’s fledgling administration in a no confidence vote. I’m not sure that any subsequent general election would be a disaster for Boris and the Tories. Boris could campaign on the fact that Labour stopped Brexit and do a deal with Farage to put up candidates only against the 20 odd Tory rebels who no doubt would’ve had the Tory whip removed for bringing down their own Government.Thats if they’d not already been deselected or thrown out of the party of course.

lisyloo

Tromking wrote: »

I’m not sure that any subsequent general election would be a disaster for Boris and the Tories.

I’m not voting Tory again. Not just because of enacting article 50 when they didn’t have clue, but because of the dreadful way poor and vulnerable people are being treated I.e. not enough to live on. I mean both people between jobs and those not able to work. The quality of the scoring system is vile e.g. you can lift your arms so you can work. This is at the same time as talking about tax cuts for the privileged.
I.e. it’s not just about brexit.

In my constituency it’s a two horse race between tories and Lib Dem, so don’t forget about the FPTP system.

I think many people are very unhappy with the tories (pre Boris) and to a lesser extent labour. This was clear from the local elections.

Tromking

lisyloo wrote: »

I’m not voting Tory again. Not just because of enacting article 50 when they didn’t have clue, but because of the dreadful way poor and vulnerable people are being treated I.e. not enough to live on. I mean both people between jobs and those not able to work. The quality of the scoring system is vile e.g. you can lift your arms so you can work. This is at the same time as talking about tax cuts for the privileged.
I.e. it’s not just about brexit.

In my constituency it’s a two horse race between tories and Lib Dem, so don’t forget about the FPTP system.

I think many people are very unhappy with the tories (pre Boris) and to a lesser extent labour. This was clear from the local elections.

Most MP’s voted for art 50 and as someone who is against Brexit, why would you vote Tory anyway?
Beware of the Lib Dem’s though, there were part of the austerity Cameron Government of 2010.
You could be joining the burgeoning ranks of the politically homeless lisyloo.

lisyloo

why would you vote Tory anyway?

Because I didn't vote on a single issue (brexit).
I only had a choice of 2 (effectively) and I voted partially on the quality of the local candidates.

Beware of the Lib Dem’s though, there were part of the austerity Cameron Government of 2010.

And they did a lot of good things in that roles, holding back the worst tory policies.
Yes we all know about tuition fees, but don't ignore everything else that happened over the 5 years.

You could be joining the burgeoning ranks of the politically homeless lisyloo.

Nope I'm going lib dem.
Partly because theyve been transparent about their brexit position.
Partly because it's a two horse race in my town.
Partly because I think the remain vote should unite i.e. tactical voting.


Obviously it's not all about me, but look at the local elections to see a large loss of support for the tories and a smaller loss for labour.