Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

lisyloo

Tromking wrote: »

Filed in the ‘get you excuses in early’ folder.

Absolutely with polling stations open 7am - 10pm who has an excuse?

BTW - my mother voted when she was in intensive care on polling day. It’s called a postal vote and it’s very convenient for those with genuine reasons.

Thrugelmir

lisyloo wrote: »

Absolutely with polling stations open 7am - 10pm who has an excuse?

I know a fair number of people that never bother. Funnily enough they then tend to be the biggest complainers.

phillw

Herzlos wrote: »

If it's too porous and someone complains to the WTO then we'd fall foul of the "most favoured nation" thing and we'd have to trade with the rest of the world tariff free

This is what tim martin wants, he doesn't care about the effect on industry as long as he can import cheap booze in to the uk.

To a leave voter the unicorn brexit is magical, it's whatever you want to be and so it can completely change whenever someone points out all the problems with the last version of brexit you claim to have voted for all along.

Arklight

Johnson is strutting his stuff, promising to obliterate any last shreds of humanity, dignity, and respect for consensus his miserable political party still retains - should he be made leader.

In most political organisations that would be the end of his leadership. In the Tories, it's the only part of the job interview he needs to prove. He really couldn't do any more to ensure his appointment, apart from possibly killing a kitten by the gates of Downing Street.

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

This is what tim martin wants, he doesn't care about the effect on industry as long as he can import cheap booze in to the uk.

???

Isn't that what the UK has thrived on for decades, cheap imports.

One only has to look at the industries lost. With it the skills base.

Now we are left with call centres, big box distribution warehouses and BTL.

phillw

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Isn't that what the UK has thrived on for decades, cheap imports.

Is that a serious question?

Tariffs from goods outside the EU may be cheaper even with the tariffs added in, but at least the tariffs are then contributing to government income so that it can be used to help those who are out of a job.

Cutting tariffs completely will make us even less competitive and also remove the money to OUR government.

We have zero tariffs in the EU because all the countries have agreed to the same laws that cover environment, employee rights etc, all of which contribute to increased costs. The EU won't give us zero tariffs if we deviate from their laws and it gives us a competitive edge.

Isn't this stuff that you should have learned before voting in the referendum?

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

Is that a serious question?

Of course. Open borders and removal of capital controls has reduced the cost of labour. A further industrial revolution is continuing drive trends.

Europe a whole is now predominantly service based. Manufacturing is in decline. As the UK lost out. The EU is now likewise doing so.

In the recent elections in India. Green wasn't even on the agenda. People are more interested in jobs, education, housing, healthcare. They want the lifestyle we enjoy. Same applies to Asia.

The old empires are crumbling.

phillw

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The old empires are crumbling.

That is why the EU has been committed to doing trade deals with other big markets, by leaving the EU we have severely and irrevocably lost our hand.

It's like we were in quick sand and rather than staying still and waiting, we decided to move as much as we can so we get sucked down. Good job.

Zero_Gravitas

This is worth a read:

https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/05/24/may-ends-her-premiership-as-she-started-it-with-the-greatest

And I agree with the conclusion that she was the second worst Prime Minister we’ve had. Admittedly she was dealt a poor hand, but she proceeded to play it phenomenally badly.

BobQ

Theophile wrote: »

With massive voter suppression keeping away likely Remain minded voters, I predict brexit party will do very well.


Also, holding the vote on a working day (as opposed to Sunday as in democratic EU member states) will tend to a higher turnout of economically inactive voters, which again favours the brexit party.

Absurd. Anyone can post a letter.

Voter suppression?