Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Tromking

Takedap.
Never accused you of saying that all Leave voters were "thick racist low-lifes". Merely asked you to quantify the amount and own the fact that you said a not insignificant amount of Leave voters are "thick racist low-lifes". It seems you can't, fair enough.
More than happy to concede that the Barnett Formula has nothing to do with the EU, there again I never claimed it did.

LHW99

Takedap wrote: »

From your links, the excerpt 2004 book does not contain the quote.


The excerpt from the 2016 book says "It was famously reported that... Not that famously obviously.


Mind you, as you say, it was before the internet so obviously anything important from 1963 wouldn't have been published at the time would it?


When I first debated this with Tromking over 500 post ago, I did say that I would stand corrected if someone could provide a reliable citation.


I still haven't seen one that wasn't written decades after it was supposedly said.

Yes, I agree there do not appear to be any internet references actually from times close to 1963, although from experience, finding any sources that actually date prior to about 2000 online is very hit and miss.


However, from the 2004 reference, p.47 3rd paragraph down has the specific quote.

buglawton

Moneybot wrote: »

To be fair how accurate is any single poll? You usually need a poll of polls to get meaningful data.

Like, the best out of 3 referendums?

buglawton

Conina wrote: »

We were last in 2003, 2008 and 2010 too.
No doubt though some remainers will still try to suggest that this year's poor showing is the result of Brexit and not that it was at best a mediocre effort again.
Honestly I'm not sure why we bother because nobody I know pays attention to it and besides, on a commercial basis the UK is acknowledged as a world-leader where music is concerned.

Talking of which the UK came top in the "Soft Power Index" again in 2018, ahead of France Germany and the USA.
That's not bad for a small island community that so many remainers are determined to write off as insignificant and lacking in influence.

British pop talent takes a surprisingly 'corporate' attitude towards Eurovision. Established acts daren't enter as they assume in advance that judges biases will resign UK to bottom anyway. So won't enter to avoid reputational damage. Circular argument I know but there you go.

Herzlos

Moby wrote: »

Brexit makes the dissolution of the union more likely. The SNP are using the brexit vote as proof of a 'material change' to justify their campaign for another referendum. Remaining in the EU would reduce the likelihood of the break-up of the UK. You can see the same forces at work in Wales now. Plaid are running on a ticket of Wales being the most deprived area in the UK and are using Ireland as an example of how a small country can benefit from being in the EU.

The Scots were told leaving the UK meant leaving the EU, and the only way to remain in the EU was to remain in the UK. The UK leaving the EU is definitely a material change and thus pressing for another referendum is the duty of the SNP based on the manifesto they were voted in on.

I know it's bizarre having politicians stand by manifesto promises but still

Remaining in the EU therefore kills off the Scottish independence movement and keeps the UK together.

Takedap

LHW99 wrote: »

However, from the 2004 reference, p.47 3rd paragraph down has the specific quote.

Apologies, I'd missed that one.


Also, I suppose it's quite possible that the details of the 1963 meeting may not have been widely reported except in French. The UK newspapers might not have been too interested as the EU was still just 6 member states.

Theophile

shaggydoo wrote: »

Best For Britain


https://www.bestforbritain.org/Vote

cogito wrote: »

That can also be used to figure out how to vote against remaining.

Well done for stating the obvious.
Ever thought of changing your username to 'non cogito'?

shaggydoo

Apparently, there is no limit to the economic damage Brexiteers are prepared to inflict on the rest of us in the pursuit of their delusions......



I'm actually really scared....


....it's really is like the lunatics have taken over....

shaggydoo

melanzana wrote: »

The acrimony from some on this thread is amusing.

We are totally doomed with a no deal exit.. even BJ knows this now.

What’s all the fighting about?

Parliament has rejected NO DEAL and the WA.

Will be a brave PM who will just take us out of EU. I doubt it will happen now.. A totally unscripted future.

Because apparently we are not doomed. Apparently, leaving the EU without a deal will have no impact on the economy.

Is this one of the Brexiteers (many) lies?

What happened to : Leaving would be all gain and no pain. Britain would become proud, sovereign, powerful, more prosperous. It could slash immigration, enrich its health service, cut magnificent and profitable trade deals with the rest of the world, opt out of European Union laws and still trade with and travel freely in Europe.

It was always rubbish, marketed by people deliberately indifferent to facts.

Brexiteers have learned nothing, acknowledge nothing.Rather than accepting their shameful role in deceiving voters over what was possible, they are doubling down on denunciation.

And now they expect us to believe that we can leave the EU on WTO terms, losing 40 other trade deals with other countries and the economic impact will be zilch.

Priceless.


(And so, so scary)

SpiderLegs

Herzlos wrote: »

The Scots were told leaving the UK meant leaving the EU, and the only way to remain in the EU was to remain in the UK. The UK leaving the EU is definitely a material change and thus pressing for another referendum is the duty of the SNP based on the manifesto they were voted in on.

I know it's bizarre having politicians stand by manifesto promises but still

Remaining in the EU therefore kills off the Scottish independence movement and keeps the UK together.

I agree that the SNP should follow through on their manifesto commitments. It’s exactly the same principle as those Westminster parties who’s manifesto commitments were to revoke article 50 or hold a second eu referendum.