Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

gfplux

mayonnaise wrote: »

I don't disagree with you.
But these people were left behind by a failing industrial policy that laid waste to large parts of the North, a lack of meaningful jobs locally, non-existent access to decent healthcare, a growing sense of insecurity with police forces cut to the bone, a failing education and prison system, etc..etc...

Not sure if the likes of Widdecombe, Annunziata Rees-Mogg and Sargon of Akkad are the answer.

A little like Germany in the 1930’s

Zuzel

mayonnaise wrote: »

Not sure if the likes of Widdecombe, Annunziata Rees-Mogg and Sargon of Akkad are the answer.

No neither am I but what we do know is that the existing lot have had their chance and blown it. Time for a change then and better a new broom than the same old same old.

movilogo

Unsurprisingly, you're berating the messenger (leftist, metropolitan, out of touch, yadda yadda...) but once again failing to see the bigger picture.

But calling Brexit voters thick, idiot, uneducated, dumb, old gits, xenophobic etc etc OK - eh?

Tromking

gfplux wrote: »

Many people are afraid of the Nationalism that is sweeping across the U.K.

A situation mirrored and even surpassed on mainland Europe it has to be said.
Farage and his brand of populism was killed stone dead in June 2016, care to guess why his Brexit Party is set to win the European elections next week?

SouthLondonUser

movilogo wrote: »

But calling Brexit voters thick, idiot, uneducated, dumb, old gits, xenophobic etc etc OK - eh?

If someone believed the £350m bus I'm not going to applaud them for their intelligence.

If someone keeps repeating "because we won two world wars" ( I heard that multiple times) as the key reason why we'll be better off outside of the EU, I'm not going to applaud their understanding of economics and geopolitics.

If someone keeps repeating the same nonsense about the supposed undemocratic nature of the EU, without realising that democracy is always indirect, that British Ministers are not chosen directly by the British electorate, either, etc, then I'm not going to applaud their understanding of comparative constitutional law.

If someone keeps repeating "to keep the foreigners out" I am not going to refrain from saying they are xenophobes; if this happens in areas like Cornwall or Wales, with little to no immigration yet lots of EU aid, then I'm not going to applaud their superior intelligence which makes them immune to fake news - quite the opposite.
https://www.ted.com/talks/carole_cadwalladr_facebook_s_role_in_brexit_and_the_threat_to_democracy/transcript?language=en

If someone keeps repeating the same nonsense about taking back control, but can't explain what are the most hated EU laws they can't wait to get rid of and why, I am not going to applaud them for their acumen.

phillw

ess0two wrote: »

Remain failed to sell us the benefits of staying in the EU.

Right, but the benefits of staying in the EU are real.

Leave succeeded in selling made up benefits of leaving the EU.

Count me cynical but democracy isn't getting more people to believe your lies than the other sides truths.

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

If someone keeps repeating the same nonsense about taking back control, but can't explain what are the most hated EU laws they can't wait to get rid of and why, I am not going to applaud them for their acumen.

Our democratically elected MEP's voted for most of the laws that were passed. There wasn't a single law that we voted against or abstained from that any decent person would be upset about (it's things like more safety labelling on food, to prevent death). Let's leave the EU so we can take back control so our food producers can kill us without us knowing, yay for xenophobic thinking.

Zuzel

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

If someone believed the £350m bus I'm not going to applaud them for their intelligence.

If someone keeps repeating "because we won two world wars" ( I heard that multiple times) as the key reason why we'll be better off outside of the EU, I'm not going to applaud their understanding of economics and geopolitics.

If someone keeps repeating the same nonsense about the supposed undemocratic nature of the EU, without realising that democracy is always indirect, that British Ministers are not chosen directly by the British electorate, either, etc, then I'm not going to applaud their understanding of comparative constitutional law.

If someone keeps repeating "to keep the foreigners out" I am not going to refrain from saying they are xenophobes; if this happens in areas like Cornwall or Wales, with little to no immigration yet lots of EU aid, then I'm not going to applaud their superior intelligence which makes them immune to fake news - quite the opposite.
https://www.ted.com/talks/carole_cadwalladr_facebook_s_role_in_brexit_and_the_threat_to_democracy/transcript?language=en

If someone keeps repeating the same nonsense about taking back control, but can't explain what are the most hated EU laws they can't wait to get rid of and why, I am not going to applaud them for their acumen.

If somebody ignores the real reasons why people voted for Brexit rather than spew forth the usual "I don't wanna leave" nonsense, I am not going to applaud them for their faux indignation.

phillw

Zuzel wrote: »

If somebody ignores the real reasons why people voted for Brexit rather than spew forth the usual "I don't wanna leave" nonsense, I am not going to applaud them for their faux indignation.

Whenever I hear people talk about "the real reasons why people voted for Brexit", it has nothing to do with membership of the EU and therefore we shouldn't applaud them either.

But go on, enlighten us. Tell us the real reasons, so we can point out any xenophobia or irrational thinking, or would you ignore that with faux indignation?

Zuzel

phillw wrote: »

Whenever I hear people talk about "the real reasons why people voted for Brexit", it has nothing to do with membership of the EU and therefore we shouldn't applaud them either.

But go on, enlighten us. Tell us the real reasons, so we can point out any xenophobia or irrational thinking, or would you ignore that with faux indignation?

Why would I when you would obviously rather carry on ignoring the page upon page of answers in here and in multiple other bits of this forum so that you can continue your own faux indignation at those who dared to vote to leave the UK?

Remainer = allowed to disagree and will use any method available to deny Brexit.
Insists that Brexit will lead to disaster for the economy -> recession and the general demise of the UK.
Without any evidence other than hearsay.

Brexiter = always wrong, didn't know what they voted for, is thick, racist and gullible.
Cannot possibly think that Brexit will lead to the UK having greater independence and eventually even lead to improving the economy.
Despite current evidence showing record numbers of employed and continued growth.

No wonder Farage's lot look like they're going to slaughter all-comers on May 23rd.
People are realising what a load of rubbish they keep being threatened with for daring to vote leave.

lisyloo

Yes please explain.
Do you mean it was a protest vote from the disenfranchised or something else?